Cannabis worth £500K seized by Lancashire Police (From Blackpool Citizen)

Brilliant - we are definitely getting that cannabis aren't we.

Is this push the end for the cannabis farms then? If it is then why won't the police say that? If it isn't why are we wasting all this money, while we leave real criminals uninvestigated?

22 arrests, that's 22 more than any arrests for the 1000's of metal thefts taking place for instance, where real people are suffering (not to mention violent crimes or paedophilia or grooming).

No-one is suffering from cannabis use.

Are you going to start arresting some real criminals soon as well? The public desperately hopes so, because society desperately needs that if it is ever going to improve.

Incidentally; Detective Chief Inspector Tim Leeson, your comment that you want to "end the misery that drugs misuse causes in Lancashire".

If that's what you want to do then why are you targeting a "drug" which doesn't cause misery?

You must have lots of real life experience Detective Chief Inspector Tim Leeson, so therefore you must know yourself that it is drugs like heroin, and crack (and alcohol!), that is causing the "misery" in society.

By lumping cannabis in with real "drugs" which cause "misery" is an exceptionally dangerous game. People take cannabis, and because it is safe, they think other "drugs" are too (they are all illegal after all - they are all "drugs"). Other "drugs" are not safe though - you must know that yourself Detective Chief Inspector Tim Leeson.

I have personally lost 3 close friends to heroin, i.e. they are dead and buried. Do you genuinely want to see more deaths and "misery" from heroin Detective Chief Inspector Tim Leeson? You are going about things in exactly the right way if you do, because lumping soft and harmless "drugs" like cannabis with incredibly hard and dangerous "drugs" like heroin really is killing people.

Why would you do that, because you surely know the truth? If you don't then what are you doing so high up in the police? Why don't you spend some time with the bobbies on the streets? Go and visit a "pot heads" house when they raid it - it will just be a normal house. Go and visit a smack heads house when, or if, they ever raid it - it will be the depths of depravity which will turn your stomach.

Stop spreading complete ignorance - it is making society a far worse place than it needs to be, and it is creating real victims of hard and dangerous drugs. It really is killing people.

And for what? Just so you can justify an easy target of cannabis.

Cannabis scourge of the nation..
surely no one believes we should be spending all this money on cannabis 'crimes' as apposed to 'real' crimes? (well maybe the dick that posts in all these cannabis threads saying it kills will disagree)

Dave_P wrote:
Cannabis scourge of the nation..
surely no one believes we should be spending all this money on cannabis 'crimes' as apposed to 'real' crimes? (well maybe the dick that posts in all these cannabis threads saying it kills will disagree)

That bloke genuinely thinks it turns you into a lizard or a monkey, seriously.

I wonder why the police never mention that?

Why don't we try taking a completely new approach to cannabis? Around three million people in Britain are regular users and whatever we do we're not going to be able to stop them.

We waste billions every year on police, court and prison resources when a large proportion of society uses cannabis without any problem at all. In fact, the only real problem with cannabis is that it's illegal.

The risks to health are very small - much, much less than alcohol or tobacco. By a recent analysis of mortality, hospital admissions, toxicity and propensity to psychosis, cannabis is nearly 3000 times safer than alcohol. Why not introduce a tax and regulate system and realise the benefits?

That way we'd have a properly regulated supply chain with no criminals involved, no theft of electricity, no human trafficking, no destruction of property and disruption of neighbourhoods. Then there would be some control over this huge market. There would be thousands of new jobs, sales would be from licensed outlets to adults only with guaranteed quality and safety. Then our police could start going after some real wrongdoing instead of trying to fight a crime that exists only because of a misguided government policy.

Also, very importantly, science now proves that cannabis is one of the safest and most effective medicines for a wide range of conditions. While the government promotes the lie that "there is no medicinal value in cannabis", it has granted an unlawful monopoly to GW Pharmaceuticals to grow 20 tonnes a year for, you guessed it, medicine!

Cannabis Law Reform (CLEAR) published independent research on 14th September 2011 that shows a cannabis tax and regulate regime would provide a net gain to the UK exchequer of £6.7 billion per annum as well as reducing all health and social harms.

The only thing that keeps the present absurd status quo in place is weak politicians corrupted by Big Booze and the GW Pharma monopoly.

Go to the CLEAR website for full details: www.clear-uk.org

I feel sorry for the police. I can't believe that this is what they signed up in the service of protecting law, order and justice. Cannabis cultivation and partaking should never be considered a criminal matter! It's not just drugs users and addicts that don't get the assistance they need... police officers are also being dealt a sh*tty hand by our weak minded politicians.

why am I paying the police to hunt down gardeners?

waste of my money but more importantly the police also get the booty to be shared amongst the stakeholders

matt_i wrote:
I feel sorry for the police. I can't believe that this is what they signed up in the service of protecting law, order and justice. Cannabis cultivation and partaking should never be considered a criminal matter! It's not just drugs users and addicts that don't get the assistance they need... police officers are also being dealt a sh*tty hand by our weak minded politicians.

Absolutely 100%.

No one blames the police for this (unless there are some vociferous high ranking officers who deliberately push ignorance).

The police are doing a difficult job. They no doubt want to catch the bad guys. We'd love them to get the bad guys too.

They are never ever getting the bad guys going for pot heads.

What about a concerted push against heroin dealers for instance? I'd love to read about that campaign.

Only the politicians can untie the police's hands.

For that they'd need to have courage though. And leadership. When did you last see a politician with either of those attributes?

Career politicians do everything that's popular (or even more shamefully, what they can get out of it themselves), not anything that's actually best for society.

We have a House of Parliament mostly full of career politicians unfortunately. Very few of them have even had a normal job.

Jack Herer wrote:

Dave_P wrote:
Cannabis scourge of the nation..
surely no one believes we should be spending all this money on cannabis 'crimes' as apposed to 'real' crimes? (well maybe the dick that posts in all these cannabis threads saying it kills will disagree)

That bloke genuinely thinks it turns you into a lizard or a monkey, seriously.

I wonder why the police never mention that?

No need to get all aggressive about it, I thought it was supposed to make you peaceful and open the mind, are you bonged out right now? Sorry been away for a few days, internets been off.
What about the article I pointed to you last time.
Flirty blonde gets cannabis injector to maime rival? Or what about Kyle Kay?
I bet you were too busy sunning yourself to read it as you were warming yourself up for the day, classic lizard behaviour
Am I any more ridiculous than the guy who keeps posting on every cannabis related article saying its a gift from jesus. A real miracle drug? Try explaining its cancerous negating properties to Bob Marley will you. My god you fools don't half talk some tripe.
Cannabis Kills just ask Charlie Mansons victims.
You don't think outside the box do you, or in this case outside the bong. I suggest you have been mindwiped on too many occasions. All them roll ups with crack rocks, angel dust, and brown have sent you down the hole. And now you only think in one dimension. The lizard people, why bother having 180 degree rotating eyes in two planes and then fail to use them? Sat there thinking to yourself, when the boulder burns through my jumper, I will make a move. Classic.

I agree Jack. Totally. I know there are plenty of conspiracy theories abound - and some of which might hold some weight, but i honestly think the Daily Mail is owed the most blame... Politicians listen to awful rags like that and still wonder why they're unpopular. For me the issue of drugs are a real sticking point for me in actually believing any politician. It's the biggest issue, given the smallest scrutiny by government. Well that's how it occurs for me.

Keep Darwin Green ... can i just say that you are totally awesome. Your stories sound like an episode of CSI or something...please put the links up i missed them last time! Bonged out too...that's brilliant. Seriously though your views seem very extreme... what is your experience of cannabis? or harder drugs?

C'MON PLEASE!!! End prohibition the war on drugs has evidently failed, if people want to smoke less harmless substances than cannabis then let them and as for its the gateway to other drugs...... well no more will i let my daughter drink milk its a gateway to alcohol. lets show common sense and bring and end to this current systems sustained failure!

dash2020 wrote:
C'MON PLEASE!!! End prohibition the war on drugs has evidently failed, if people want to smoke less harmless substances than cannabis then let them and as for its the gateway to other drugs...... well no more will i let my daughter drink milk its a gateway to alcohol. lets show common sense and bring and end to this current systems sustained failure!

C'MON PLEASE!!! End prohibition the war on drugs has evidently failed, if people want to smoke less harmless substances like cannabis then let them and as for its the gateway to other drugs...... well no more will i let my daughter drink milk its a gateway to alcohol. lets show common sense and bring and end to this current systems sustained failure!

Jack Herer wrote:

Dave_P wrote:
Cannabis scourge of the nation..
surely no one believes we should be spending all this money on cannabis 'crimes' as apposed to 'real' crimes? (well maybe the dick that posts in all these cannabis threads saying it kills will disagree)

That bloke genuinely thinks it turns you into a lizard or a monkey, seriously.

I wonder why the police never mention that?

Look, lizard= cold blooded animal.
Kyle Kaye, Ezekiel Maxwell, Thomas Palmer, Mfanimpela Msibi,Carles Manson. How many more lizards do I need to mention before you switch it on? You really are a bit slow aren't you? What makes you think I'm a bloke? Strewth its like trying to educate a shoe. The government make enough money out of weed already unless of course the guy who sells it just saves his proceeds like a little hamster, so its a win win situation. Positive publicity for law enforcement, if they don't catch anyone, they rake in the taxation off the money spent by producing it, so why bother changing it for a few space cadets? I mean Frank Bruno is an exponent of the stuff, nuff said." Know what I mean Arry "

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

Jack Herer wrote:

Dave_P wrote:
Cannabis scourge of the nation..
surely no one believes we should be spending all this money on cannabis 'crimes' as apposed to 'real' crimes? (well maybe the dick that posts in all these cannabis threads saying it kills will disagree)

That bloke genuinely thinks it turns you into a lizard or a monkey, seriously.

I wonder why the police never mention that?

No need to get all aggressive about it, I thought it was supposed to make you peaceful and open the mind, are you bonged out right now? Sorry been away for a few days, internets been off.
What about the article I pointed to you last time.
Flirty blonde gets cannabis injector to maime rival? Or what about Kyle Kay?
I bet you were too busy sunning yourself to read it as you were warming yourself up for the day, classic lizard behaviour
Am I any more ridiculous than the guy who keeps posting on every cannabis related article saying its a gift from jesus. A real miracle drug? Try explaining its cancerous negating properties to Bob Marley will you. My god you fools don't half talk some tripe.
Cannabis Kills just ask Charlie Mansons victims.
You don't think outside the box do you, or in this case outside the bong. I suggest you have been mindwiped on too many occasions. All them roll ups with crack rocks, angel dust, and brown have sent you down the hole. And now you only think in one dimension. The lizard people, why bother having 180 degree rotating eyes in two planes and then fail to use them? Sat there thinking to yourself, when the boulder burns through my jumper, I will make a move. Classic.

Why did you quote me?

I wasn't being aggressive.

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

Jack Herer wrote:

Dave_P wrote:
Cannabis scourge of the nation..
surely no one believes we should be spending all this money on cannabis 'crimes' as apposed to 'real' crimes? (well maybe the dick that posts in all these cannabis threads saying it kills will disagree)

That bloke genuinely thinks it turns you into a lizard or a monkey, seriously.

I wonder why the police never mention that?

Look, lizard= cold blooded animal.
Kyle Kaye, Ezekiel Maxwell, Thomas Palmer, Mfanimpela Msibi,Carles Manson. How many more lizards do I need to mention before you switch it on? You really are a bit slow aren't you? What makes you think I'm a bloke? Strewth its like trying to educate a shoe. The government make enough money out of weed already unless of course the guy who sells it just saves his proceeds like a little hamster, so its a win win situation. Positive publicity for law enforcement, if they don't catch anyone, they rake in the taxation off the money spent by producing it, so why bother changing it for a few space cadets? I mean Frank Bruno is an exponent of the stuff, nuff said." Know what I mean Arry "

Keep Darwen Green - do you honestly think those people you mention are lizards?

Do they have to wear fake skin? How does Charles Manson manage that in prison?

Very interesting to read all the comments on cannabis.
Your area seems to have a huge problem with people who grow the plant and users of the drug.
As regards the safe use of the drug, I am no doctor, so I cannot give any medical advice. Judging by the standard of the letters, I presume that not many of the people writing, are either.
However my point is that here in Wales, the farmers grow many crops which help our U/K economy. However, I realise that they receive help from the British government, and also the EU, in the form of cash grants. They do however pay tax to the government, on the profit the farm makes. Nobody seems to mention the fact that if growing the drug was made legal, they would be prepared to pay tax on their profits.
Does nobody in England think they should be taxed on the profit's of their business?

Jack Herer wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

Jack Herer wrote:

Dave_P wrote:
Cannabis scourge of the nation..
surely no one believes we should be spending all this money on cannabis 'crimes' as apposed to 'real' crimes? (well maybe the dick that posts in all these cannabis threads saying it kills will disagree)

That bloke genuinely thinks it turns you into a lizard or a monkey, seriously.

I wonder why the police never mention that?

Look, lizard= cold blooded animal.
Kyle Kaye, Ezekiel Maxwell, Thomas Palmer, Mfanimpela Msibi,Carles Manson. How many more lizards do I need to mention before you switch it on? You really are a bit slow aren't you? What makes you think I'm a bloke? Strewth its like trying to educate a shoe. The government make enough money out of weed already unless of course the guy who sells it just saves his proceeds like a little hamster, so its a win win situation. Positive publicity for law enforcement, if they don't catch anyone, they rake in the taxation off the money spent by producing it, so why bother changing it for a few space cadets? I mean Frank Bruno is an exponent of the stuff, nuff said." Know what I mean Arry "

Keep Darwen Green - do you honestly think those people you mention are lizards?

Do they have to wear fake skin? How does Charles Manson manage that in prison?

All those people I mention are cold blooded animals and as a lizard= a cold blooded animal, well hello, is there anyone in there. Goodness me, you really do have a " getting it to sink in " problem don't you, all the crack rocks have turned your grey matter to stone. Are you Withnail and have you been hitting the " Camberwell Carrot " if so, I fear for my life.

caerhodfa wrote:
Very interesting to read all the comments on cannabis.
Your area seems to have a huge problem with people who grow the plant and users of the drug.
As regards the safe use of the drug, I am no doctor, so I cannot give any medical advice. Judging by the standard of the letters, I presume that not many of the people writing, are either.
However my point is that here in Wales, the farmers grow many crops which help our U/K economy. However, I realise that they receive help from the British government, and also the EU, in the form of cash grants. They do however pay tax to the government, on the profit the farm makes. Nobody seems to mention the fact that if growing the drug was made legal, they would be prepared to pay tax on their profits.
Does nobody in England think they should be taxed on the profit's of their business?

All the medical data is out there if you are prepared to look.

I'd start by looking up Dr Lester Grinspoon - just his wiki page will be incredibly enlightening.

Alternatively, CLEAR have a huge resource of all the very latest medical data and info. Check out their website - it's all there.

Very few medical professionals in the UK know much about the benefits of cannabis. We are in an almost unique position in the western world for that though. In the States and the rest of Europe, medical professionals are extolling the virtues of cannabis.

In the UK however, a single company with a single product have a complete monopoly on cannabis. That product is called Sativex, and even though it is just a very strong version of cannabis (far stronger in THC than any skunk could be) - GWPharma, the company that produces it, pretend it isn't real cannabis. It is totally real cannabis though - no question -very strong real cannabis.

Their self interest to push ignorance means that medical professionals in the UK are being kept in the dark from the benefits of cannabis. They think Sativex is completely safe - very expensive but safe - but do not know that it is just cannabis - very very strong cannabis.

Of course we need to legalise and tax - it's the only logical answer.

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

Jack Herer wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

Jack Herer wrote:

Dave_P wrote:
Cannabis scourge of the nation..
surely no one believes we should be spending all this money on cannabis 'crimes' as apposed to 'real' crimes? (well maybe the dick that posts in all these cannabis threads saying it kills will disagree)

That bloke genuinely thinks it turns you into a lizard or a monkey, seriously.

I wonder why the police never mention that?

Look, lizard= cold blooded animal.
Kyle Kaye, Ezekiel Maxwell, Thomas Palmer, Mfanimpela Msibi,Carles Manson. How many more lizards do I need to mention before you switch it on? You really are a bit slow aren't you? What makes you think I'm a bloke? Strewth its like trying to educate a shoe. The government make enough money out of weed already unless of course the guy who sells it just saves his proceeds like a little hamster, so its a win win situation. Positive publicity for law enforcement, if they don't catch anyone, they rake in the taxation off the money spent by producing it, so why bother changing it for a few space cadets? I mean Frank Bruno is an exponent of the stuff, nuff said." Know what I mean Arry "

Keep Darwen Green - do you honestly think those people you mention are lizards?

Do they have to wear fake skin? How does Charles Manson manage that in prison?

All those people I mention are cold blooded animals and as a lizard= a cold blooded animal, well hello, is there anyone in there. Goodness me, you really do have a " getting it to sink in " problem don't you, all the crack rocks have turned your grey matter to stone. Are you Withnail and have you been hitting the " Camberwell Carrot " if so, I fear for my life.

I absolutely love the film you mention, however I'm not like Withnail though (if anything I'm more like I).

You haven't answered my question though. Is Charles Manson deffo a lizard and if so does he have to wear fake skin, or does he just have the insides of a lizard?

Jack Herer wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

Jack Herer wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

Jack Herer wrote:

Dave_P wrote:
Cannabis scourge of the nation..
surely no one believes we should be spending all this money on cannabis 'crimes' as apposed to 'real' crimes? (well maybe the dick that posts in all these cannabis threads saying it kills will disagree)

That bloke genuinely thinks it turns you into a lizard or a monkey, seriously.

I wonder why the police never mention that?

Look, lizard= cold blooded animal.
Kyle Kaye, Ezekiel Maxwell, Thomas Palmer, Mfanimpela Msibi,Carles Manson. How many more lizards do I need to mention before you switch it on? You really are a bit slow aren't you? What makes you think I'm a bloke? Strewth its like trying to educate a shoe. The government make enough money out of weed already unless of course the guy who sells it just saves his proceeds like a little hamster, so its a win win situation. Positive publicity for law enforcement, if they don't catch anyone, they rake in the taxation off the money spent by producing it, so why bother changing it for a few space cadets? I mean Frank Bruno is an exponent of the stuff, nuff said." Know what I mean Arry "

Keep Darwen Green - do you honestly think those people you mention are lizards?

Do they have to wear fake skin? How does Charles Manson manage that in prison?

All those people I mention are cold blooded animals and as a lizard= a cold blooded animal, well hello, is there anyone in there. Goodness me, you really do have a " getting it to sink in " problem don't you, all the crack rocks have turned your grey matter to stone. Are you Withnail and have you been hitting the " Camberwell Carrot " if so, I fear for my life.

I absolutely love the film you mention, however I'm not like Withnail though (if anything I'm more like I).

You haven't answered my question though. Is Charles Manson deffo a lizard and if so does he have to wear fake skin, or does he just have the insides of a lizard?

Huh, I give up, I've got some writing to do. I like obscure films too. Fear and loathing in vegas, you have to have lived it, to really get it. But as I've said before, eradication of the problems is the answer to the question that nobody has asked.The question being, why do people feel the need to remove themselves from reality using a chemical substance in order to get through? Is it not the problems we should be sorting out instead of the blankets used to cover them up? Goodbye Grasshopper your mind has a long way to travel yet, as you are still residing with the lizard that is waiting for the flies.
As master says, it is better to wait near animal sh1t if you wish to catch a fly, happy hunting.

Lifeinthemix wrote:
why am I paying the police to hunt down gardeners?

waste of my money but more importantly the police also get the booty to be shared amongst the stakeholders

I doubt very much you contribute anything to the nations coffers.

The main thing that you pro weed warriors are missing here is that half a million pounds worth of this stuff has been seized, thats half a million quid that won't be going into the pockets of organised crime syndicates and going on to fund further criminality, is it that hard for you to see ?
If it was legalised then yes there would potentially be a reasonable
tax yield. Now because it isn't legal every sale of it country wide goes to funding organised crime which is a huge problem that is ever increasing. So until it is made legal (which will never happen) then surely we should be commending the Police for stopping funds finding there way back into organised crime.
And for all those who think this is all the cops are doing there are other Cops out there dealing with other things.

Cha'mone MF wrote:
The main thing that you pro weed warriors are missing here is that half a million pounds worth of this stuff has been seized, thats half a million quid that won't be going into the pockets of organised crime syndicates and going on to fund further criminality, is it that hard for you to see ?
If it was legalised then yes there would potentially be a reasonable
tax yield. Now because it isn't legal every sale of it country wide goes to funding organised crime which is a huge problem that is ever increasing. So until it is made legal (which will never happen) then surely we should be commending the Police for stopping funds finding there way back into organised crime.
And for all those who think this is all the cops are doing there are other Cops out there dealing with other things.

You are wrong, we like seeing hardcore criminals stopped. I generally thank the police for doing so.

It's just we are never going to stop them this way. That's our huge bone of contention.

I'll admit that legalisation will all come down to the United States.

Over there, if you get enough signatures, the public can force any vote they want.

Around one and a half years ago the people of California voted to fully legalise cannabis (not for medical use, it's already legal over there for that). Even in the face of huge advertising against it by the booze companies, it only narrowly lost by 54% to 46%.

The big argument against was the tax collection system proposed. Those tax collection problems have now been sorted.

This November other states have already got enough signatures to force another vote on full legalisation. If it happens, and it's forecast to, then the world will see that legalisation only has huge positive benefits, and no downsides. One of those benefits will be billions and billions extra in tax that didn't exist before.

That's when the world will change.

Currently we are just priming everyone for that.

Jack Herer wrote:

Cha'mone MF wrote:
The main thing that you pro weed warriors are missing here is that half a million pounds worth of this stuff has been seized, thats half a million quid that won't be going into the pockets of organised crime syndicates and going on to fund further criminality, is it that hard for you to see ?
If it was legalised then yes there would potentially be a reasonable
tax yield. Now because it isn't legal every sale of it country wide goes to funding organised crime which is a huge problem that is ever increasing. So until it is made legal (which will never happen) then surely we should be commending the Police for stopping funds finding there way back into organised crime.
And for all those who think this is all the cops are doing there are other Cops out there dealing with other things.

You are wrong, we like seeing hardcore criminals stopped. I generally thank the police for doing so.

It's just we are never going to stop them this way. That's our huge bone of contention.

I'll admit that legalisation will all come down to the United States.

Over there, if you get enough signatures, the public can force any vote they want.

Around one and a half years ago the people of California voted to fully legalise cannabis (not for medical use, it's already legal over there for that). Even in the face of huge advertising against it by the booze companies, it only narrowly lost by 54% to 46%.

The big argument against was the tax collection system proposed. Those tax collection problems have now been sorted.

This November other states have already got enough signatures to force another vote on full legalisation. If it happens, and it's forecast to, then the world will see that legalisation only has huge positive benefits, and no downsides. One of those benefits will be billions and billions extra in tax that didn't exist before.

That's when the world will change.

Currently we are just priming everyone for that.

But Jack you're talking about events should they happen 2 or 3 years down the line. In the mean time how much profit will be made by organised crime groups from the sale of cannabis. You have to admit that closing these farms down is undoubtably stooping money going to criminals on a huge scale (in this case half a million pounds). This is clearly the best way to prevent it from happening, or can you suggest otherwise?

Cha'mone MF wrote:

Jack Herer wrote:

Cha'mone MF wrote:
The main thing that you pro weed warriors are missing here is that half a million pounds worth of this stuff has been seized, thats half a million quid that won't be going into the pockets of organised crime syndicates and going on to fund further criminality, is it that hard for you to see ?
If it was legalised then yes there would potentially be a reasonable
tax yield. Now because it isn't legal every sale of it country wide goes to funding organised crime which is a huge problem that is ever increasing. So until it is made legal (which will never happen) then surely we should be commending the Police for stopping funds finding there way back into organised crime.
And for all those who think this is all the cops are doing there are other Cops out there dealing with other things.

You are wrong, we like seeing hardcore criminals stopped. I generally thank the police for doing so.

It's just we are never going to stop them this way. That's our huge bone of contention.

I'll admit that legalisation will all come down to the United States.

Over there, if you get enough signatures, the public can force any vote they want.

Around one and a half years ago the people of California voted to fully legalise cannabis (not for medical use, it's already legal over there for that). Even in the face of huge advertising against it by the booze companies, it only narrowly lost by 54% to 46%.

The big argument against was the tax collection system proposed. Those tax collection problems have now been sorted.

This November other states have already got enough signatures to force another vote on full legalisation. If it happens, and it's forecast to, then the world will see that legalisation only has huge positive benefits, and no downsides. One of those benefits will be billions and billions extra in tax that didn't exist before.

That's when the world will change.

Currently we are just priming everyone for that.

But Jack you're talking about events should they happen 2 or 3 years down the line. In the mean time how much profit will be made by organised crime groups from the sale of cannabis. You have to admit that closing these farms down is undoubtably stooping money going to criminals on a huge scale (in this case half a million pounds). This is clearly the best way to prevent it from happening, or can you suggest otherwise?

I know, so the harder we fight, the sooner we can stop these criminals.

The problem is this concerted push to stop cannabis, is a concerted push to de-prioritise other more serious crimes - crimes with real victims. That's just the reality of budgets and resources etc.

So it's good that we are cracking down, however how can we morally justify it when it means paedophiles or groomers, or violent thugs, or even metal thieves get off Scott free, or at best are treated leniently?

That's the problem. Yes let's have a concerted campaign, but let's get the real criminals first, because we are leaving those to go for weed.

That's making society a far worse place than it needs to be.

That's what we are campaigning for here, to use common sense, and to get our politicians to make the positive change which needs to happen.

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

Jack Herer wrote:

Dave_P wrote:
Cannabis scourge of the nation..
surely no one believes we should be spending all this money on cannabis 'crimes' as apposed to 'real' crimes? (well maybe the dick that posts in all these cannabis threads saying it kills will disagree)

That bloke genuinely thinks it turns you into a lizard or a monkey, seriously.

I wonder why the police never mention that?

Look, lizard= cold blooded animal.
Kyle Kaye, Ezekiel Maxwell, Thomas Palmer, Mfanimpela Msibi,Carles Manson. How many more lizards do I need to mention before you switch it on? You really are a bit slow aren't you? What makes you think I'm a bloke? Strewth its like trying to educate a shoe. The government make enough money out of weed already unless of course the guy who sells it just saves his proceeds like a little hamster, so its a win win situation. Positive publicity for law enforcement, if they don't catch anyone, they rake in the taxation off the money spent by producing it, so why bother changing it for a few space cadets? I mean Frank Bruno is an exponent of the stuff, nuff said." Know what I mean Arry "

you missed Stacey Keach

Cha'mone MF wrote:
The main thing that you pro weed warriors are missing here is that half a million pounds worth of this stuff has been seized, thats half a million quid that won't be going into the pockets of organised crime syndicates and going on to fund further criminality, is it that hard for you to see ?
If it was legalised then yes there would potentially be a reasonable
tax yield. Now because it isn't legal every sale of it country wide goes to funding organised crime which is a huge problem that is ever increasing. So until it is made legal (which will never happen) then surely we should be commending the Police for stopping funds finding there way back into organised crime.
And for all those who think this is all the cops are doing there are other Cops out there dealing with other things.

firstly the amount is probably half what they quote as they seem to massively over-estimate both potential yield of the plants siezed and the price that would be achieved.
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secondly, the majority of 'weed warriors' want it legalised to achieve the same end, that is to keep the money out of the criminals hands by enabling them to grow for themselves without fear, also enabling them to know exactly what they are smoking and how it has been produced.

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

Jack Herer wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

Jack Herer wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

Jack Herer wrote:

Dave_P wrote:
Cannabis scourge of the nation..
surely no one believes we should be spending all this money on cannabis 'crimes' as apposed to 'real' crimes? (well maybe the dick that posts in all these cannabis threads saying it kills will disagree)

That bloke genuinely thinks it turns you into a lizard or a monkey, seriously.

I wonder why the police never mention that?

Look, lizard= cold blooded animal.
Kyle Kaye, Ezekiel Maxwell, Thomas Palmer, Mfanimpela Msibi,Carles Manson. How many more lizards do I need to mention before you switch it on? You really are a bit slow aren't you? What makes you think I'm a bloke? Strewth its like trying to educate a shoe. The government make enough money out of weed already unless of course the guy who sells it just saves his proceeds like a little hamster, so its a win win situation. Positive publicity for law enforcement, if they don't catch anyone, they rake in the taxation off the money spent by producing it, so why bother changing it for a few space cadets? I mean Frank Bruno is an exponent of the stuff, nuff said." Know what I mean Arry "

Keep Darwen Green - do you honestly think those people you mention are lizards?

Do they have to wear fake skin? How does Charles Manson manage that in prison?

All those people I mention are cold blooded animals and as a lizard= a cold blooded animal, well hello, is there anyone in there. Goodness me, you really do have a " getting it to sink in " problem don't you, all the crack rocks have turned your grey matter to stone. Are you Withnail and have you been hitting the " Camberwell Carrot " if so, I fear for my life.

I absolutely love the film you mention, however I'm not like Withnail though (if anything I'm more like I).

You haven't answered my question though. Is Charles Manson deffo a lizard and if so does he have to wear fake skin, or does he just have the insides of a lizard?

Huh, I give up, I've got some writing to do. I like obscure films too. Fear and loathing in vegas, you have to have lived it, to really get it. But as I've said before, eradication of the problems is the answer to the question that nobody has asked.The question being, why do people feel the need to remove themselves from reality using a chemical substance in order to get through? Is it not the problems we should be sorting out instead of the blankets used to cover them up? Goodbye Grasshopper your mind has a long way to travel yet, as you are still residing with the lizard that is waiting for the flies.
As master says, it is better to wait near animal sh1t if you wish to catch a fly, happy hunting.

Keep Darwen Green - if you really want to watch a realistic film about drugs then there is only one. It's called "Christiane F. - Wir Kinder vom Bahnhof Zoo", it's German unsurprisingly with the title, and it makes all other films about drugs look silly and completely unrealistic.

I honestly think it should be compulsory viewing for kids in their final year at high school.

It's arguably the most powerful film ever made. It's a true story and it pulls no punches so don't expect The Pursuit of Happyness.

Cha'mone MF wrote:

Lifeinthemix wrote:
why am I paying the police to hunt down gardeners?

waste of my money but more importantly the police also get the booty to be shared amongst the stakeholders

I doubt very much you contribute anything to the nations coffers.

possibly more in a year than you in 10

For every farm found and seized by the police, there will be a replacement. The police will only catch the stupid ones as well. For a full synopsis try reading 'Why Our Drug Laws Have Failed and What We Can Do About It' by Judge James Gray. Stop organised crime by ending drug prohibition!

The Police are just doing a job of work, I have no bad feelings towards them. Sadly even with scientific evidence that weed is far safer than alcohol our weak political leaders are to scared to do anything that might be seen to rock the apple cart, this seems to be the case with just about anything in this country. We need leadership but sadly it's simply lacking. goes to smoke a spliff and chill with the lizards :)

The odds on KDG NOT posting on a cannabis thread 5,000/1

The odds on KDG NOT bringing up his (and it is a he, regardless of him trying to throw us of the 'Titley' sce...stench) Bob Marley madness 5,000/1

The odds on KDG getting ONE SINGLE fact correct 10,000/1

The odds on KDG making a literate, sensible, literately correct post 20,000/1

The odds on KDG being in gainful employment 35,000/1

The odd one KDG. Batty as a box of frogs. On LSD.

Jack Herer wrote:

caerhodfa wrote:
Very interesting to read all the comments on cannabis.
Your area seems to have a huge problem with people who grow the plant and users of the drug.
As regards the safe use of the drug, I am no doctor, so I cannot give any medical advice. Judging by the standard of the letters, I presume that not many of the people writing, are either.
However my point is that here in Wales, the farmers grow many crops which help our U/K economy. However, I realise that they receive help from the British government, and also the EU, in the form of cash grants. They do however pay tax to the government, on the profit the farm makes. Nobody seems to mention the fact that if growing the drug was made legal, they would be prepared to pay tax on their profits.
Does nobody in England think they should be taxed on the profit's of their business?

All the medical data is out there if you are prepared to look.

I'd start by looking up Dr Lester Grinspoon - just his wiki page will be incredibly enlightening.

Alternatively, CLEAR have a huge resource of all the very latest medical data and info. Check out their website - it's all there.

Very few medical professionals in the UK know much about the benefits of cannabis. We are in an almost unique position in the western world for that though. In the States and the rest of Europe, medical professionals are extolling the virtues of cannabis.

In the UK however, a single company with a single product have a complete monopoly on cannabis. That product is called Sativex, and even though it is just a very strong version of cannabis (far stronger in THC than any skunk could be) - GWPharma, the company that produces it, pretend it isn't real cannabis. It is totally real cannabis though - no question -very strong real cannabis.

Their self interest to push ignorance means that medical professionals in the UK are being kept in the dark from the benefits of cannabis. They think Sativex is completely safe - very expensive but safe - but do not know that it is just cannabis - very very strong cannabis.

Of course we need to legalise and tax - it's the only logical answer.

My question was, if the drug was made legal, would the people who grew it, pay tax on their profits?
Sorry if you did not understand my question.

caerhodfa wrote:

Jack Herer wrote:

caerhodfa wrote:
Very interesting to read all the comments on cannabis.
Your area seems to have a huge problem with people who grow the plant and users of the drug.
As regards the safe use of the drug, I am no doctor, so I cannot give any medical advice. Judging by the standard of the letters, I presume that not many of the people writing, are either.
However my point is that here in Wales, the farmers grow many crops which help our U/K economy. However, I realise that they receive help from the British government, and also the EU, in the form of cash grants. They do however pay tax to the government, on the profit the farm makes. Nobody seems to mention the fact that if growing the drug was made legal, they would be prepared to pay tax on their profits.
Does nobody in England think they should be taxed on the profit's of their business?

All the medical data is out there if you are prepared to look.

I'd start by looking up Dr Lester Grinspoon - just his wiki page will be incredibly enlightening.

Alternatively, CLEAR have a huge resource of all the very latest medical data and info. Check out their website - it's all there.

Very few medical professionals in the UK know much about the benefits of cannabis. We are in an almost unique position in the western world for that though. In the States and the rest of Europe, medical professionals are extolling the virtues of cannabis.

In the UK however, a single company with a single product have a complete monopoly on cannabis. That product is called Sativex, and even though it is just a very strong version of cannabis (far stronger in THC than any skunk could be) - GWPharma, the company that produces it, pretend it isn't real cannabis. It is totally real cannabis though - no question -very strong real cannabis.

Their self interest to push ignorance means that medical professionals in the UK are being kept in the dark from the benefits of cannabis. They think Sativex is completely safe - very expensive but safe - but do not know that it is just cannabis - very very strong cannabis.

Of course we need to legalise and tax - it's the only logical answer.

My question was, if the drug was made legal, would the people who grew it, pay tax on their profits?
Sorry if you did not understand my question.

They would no longer be in the chain, you would get it from your local chemist.

caerhodfa wrote:

Jack Herer wrote:

caerhodfa wrote:
Very interesting to read all the comments on cannabis.
Your area seems to have a huge problem with people who grow the plant and users of the drug.
As regards the safe use of the drug, I am no doctor, so I cannot give any medical advice. Judging by the standard of the letters, I presume that not many of the people writing, are either.
However my point is that here in Wales, the farmers grow many crops which help our U/K economy. However, I realise that they receive help from the British government, and also the EU, in the form of cash grants. They do however pay tax to the government, on the profit the farm makes. Nobody seems to mention the fact that if growing the drug was made legal, they would be prepared to pay tax on their profits.
Does nobody in England think they should be taxed on the profit's of their business?

All the medical data is out there if you are prepared to look.

I'd start by looking up Dr Lester Grinspoon - just his wiki page will be incredibly enlightening.

Alternatively, CLEAR have a huge resource of all the very latest medical data and info. Check out their website - it's all there.

Very few medical professionals in the UK know much about the benefits of cannabis. We are in an almost unique position in the western world for that though. In the States and the rest of Europe, medical professionals are extolling the virtues of cannabis.

In the UK however, a single company with a single product have a complete monopoly on cannabis. That product is called Sativex, and even though it is just a very strong version of cannabis (far stronger in THC than any skunk could be) - GWPharma, the company that produces it, pretend it isn't real cannabis. It is totally real cannabis though - no question -very strong real cannabis.

Their self interest to push ignorance means that medical professionals in the UK are being kept in the dark from the benefits of cannabis. They think Sativex is completely safe - very expensive but safe - but do not know that it is just cannabis - very very strong cannabis.

Of course we need to legalise and tax - it's the only logical answer.

My question was, if the drug was made legal, would the people who grew it, pay tax on their profits?
Sorry if you did not understand my question.

they would be running a legitimate business, so of course they would have to pay tax.
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of course the downside to this would be about half the pizza and kebab shops would rapidly shut lol!

caerhodfa wrote:

Jack Herer wrote:

caerhodfa wrote:
Very interesting to read all the comments on cannabis.
Your area seems to have a huge problem with people who grow the plant and users of the drug.
As regards the safe use of the drug, I am no doctor, so I cannot give any medical advice. Judging by the standard of the letters, I presume that not many of the people writing, are either.
However my point is that here in Wales, the farmers grow many crops which help our U/K economy. However, I realise that they receive help from the British government, and also the EU, in the form of cash grants. They do however pay tax to the government, on the profit the farm makes. Nobody seems to mention the fact that if growing the drug was made legal, they would be prepared to pay tax on their profits.
Does nobody in England think they should be taxed on the profit's of their business?

All the medical data is out there if you are prepared to look.

I'd start by looking up Dr Lester Grinspoon - just his wiki page will be incredibly enlightening.

Alternatively, CLEAR have a huge resource of all the very latest medical data and info. Check out their website - it's all there.

Very few medical professionals in the UK know much about the benefits of cannabis. We are in an almost unique position in the western world for that though. In the States and the rest of Europe, medical professionals are extolling the virtues of cannabis.

In the UK however, a single company with a single product have a complete monopoly on cannabis. That product is called Sativex, and even though it is just a very strong version of cannabis (far stronger in THC than any skunk could be) - GWPharma, the company that produces it, pretend it isn't real cannabis. It is totally real cannabis though - no question -very strong real cannabis.

Their self interest to push ignorance means that medical professionals in the UK are being kept in the dark from the benefits of cannabis. They think Sativex is completely safe - very expensive but safe - but do not know that it is just cannabis - very very strong cannabis.

Of course we need to legalise and tax - it's the only logical answer.

My question was, if the drug was made legal, would the people who grew it, pay tax on their profits?
Sorry if you did not understand my question.

Yes they will pay tax like any other company. Corporation tax and then tax that they pay on their employees behalf - PAYE.

You couldn't treat a cannabis company any different to any other company tax wise - there are set rates of tax for every company regardless of what they do.

I'd love it if the newly formed cannabis industry was amazingly conscientious and morally upstanding though. A throwback to a different age where companies totally looked after their staff though. Model communities, looking after the employees kids, putting hugely back into society at large, that kind of shiz. Just to show that it wasn't messing - stoners really are sound people.

Profits for shareholders wouldn't be all encompassing aim - just what's right.

The truth is the cannabis industry will just be a lot of big companies (and little ones), but the big ones will be floated on the stock market and profits no doubt will be the main aim. Unfortunately.

If individuals grew themselves, then no they wouldn't pay tax if it isn't over a limit (like in Spain right now). People don't pay duty on home brew.

That's the huge source of tax though. Duty. Even in Spain already with it's perfect climate, people don't grow their own even though it's perfectly legal. They have huge legal cannabis clubs there instead. One of the biggest in Barcelona has just signed a multi-million euro contract with a local council. The council is employing 40 people full time to grow cannabis for this club.

All totally legal, with no one even noticing really over there. Visit Spain today if you want to see the future.

The government can set whatever duty it wants on cannabis, just like it does with fags and booze. It's the public who pay not the company producing it. Duty could be such a massive earner for the government it would be bizarre.

Realistically it could easily jump us out of any chance of recession. Amazing eh, but it won't change because of ingrained ignorance.

Chris P Bacon wrote:
The odds on KDG NOT posting on a cannabis thread 5,000/1

The odds on KDG NOT bringing up his (and it is a he, regardless of him trying to throw us of the 'Titley' sce...stench) Bob Marley madness 5,000/1

The odds on KDG getting ONE SINGLE fact correct 10,000/1

The odds on KDG making a literate, sensible, literately correct post 20,000/1

The odds on KDG being in gainful employment 35,000/1

The odd one KDG. Batty as a box of frogs. On LSD.

Do you have a job? I'm beginning to think. I've told you before, I'm already earmarked to replace margo. You need to get a girl and stop doing crosswords, join a club and meet people. I heard you tried Eharmony? Apparently last time you filled out the application online, they sent you a phone directory and a pair of mariglods.
I know, sorry I couldn't help myself, now then back to my writing project. Bye.

PLS tell me why people need/want to smoke anything? There is plenty of fun to be had without smoking. But then why does anyone watch s**t on TV , when there is good music, good books, decent pubs for an odd pint, great films and loads more of interest to see and do?

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

Chris P Bacon wrote:
The odds on KDG NOT posting on a cannabis thread 5,000/1

The odds on KDG NOT bringing up his (and it is a he, regardless of him trying to throw us of the 'Titley' sce...stench) Bob Marley madness 5,000/1

The odds on KDG getting ONE SINGLE fact correct 10,000/1

The odds on KDG making a literate, sensible, literately correct post 20,000/1

The odds on KDG being in gainful employment 35,000/1

The odd one KDG. Batty as a box of frogs. On LSD.

Do you have a job? I'm beginning to think. I've told you before, I'm already earmarked to replace margo. You need to get a girl and stop doing crosswords, join a club and meet people. I heard you tried Eharmony? Apparently last time you filled out the application online, they sent you a phone directory and a pair of mariglods.
I know, sorry I couldn't help myself, now then back to my writing project. Bye.

If your a girl I would like to meet you, are you up for it?

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Michael@ClitheroeSin
ce58 wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

Chris P Bacon wrote:
The odds on KDG NOT posting on a cannabis thread 5,000/1

The odds on KDG NOT bringing up his (and it is a he, regardless of him trying to throw us of the 'Titley' sce...stench) Bob Marley madness 5,000/1

The odds on KDG getting ONE SINGLE fact correct 10,000/1

The odds on KDG making a literate, sensible, literately correct post 20,000/1

The odds on KDG being in gainful employment 35,000/1

The odd one KDG. Batty as a box of frogs. On LSD.

Do you have a job? I'm beginning to think. I've told you before, I'm already earmarked to replace margo. You need to get a girl and stop doing crosswords, join a club and meet people. I heard you tried Eharmony? Apparently last time you filled out the application online, they sent you a phone directory and a pair of mariglods.
I know, sorry I couldn't help myself, now then back to my writing project. Bye.

If your a girl I would like to meet you, are you up for it?

Now THAT'S worrying. You are obviously the same person as the tragic KDG posting under yet another nom-de-plume (nom-de-tragique more likely). Do you have serious gender issues?

anotherview wrote:
PLS tell me why people need/want to smoke anything? There is plenty of fun to be had without smoking. But then why does anyone watch s**t on TV , when there is good music, good books, decent pubs for an odd pint, great films and loads more of interest to see and do?

Why does anyone do anything?

A decent pub for an odd pint, is a far more destructive vice than cannabis smoking.

But you are right - it's pretty much harmless fun.

So that shows you how much harmless fun cannabis smoking actually is.

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Lifeinthemix wrote:

Cha'mone MF wrote:

Lifeinthemix wrote:
why am I paying the police to hunt down gardeners?

waste of my money but more importantly the police also get the booty to be shared amongst the stakeholders

I doubt very much you contribute anything to the nations coffers.

possibly more in a year than you in 10

Oh sorry you're right. You probably pay more in weirdo tax.

Chris P Bacon wrote:

Michael@ClitheroeSin

ce58 wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

Chris P Bacon wrote:
The odds on KDG NOT posting on a cannabis thread 5,000/1

The odds on KDG NOT bringing up his (and it is a he, regardless of him trying to throw us of the 'Titley' sce...stench) Bob Marley madness 5,000/1

The odds on KDG getting ONE SINGLE fact correct 10,000/1

The odds on KDG making a literate, sensible, literately correct post 20,000/1

The odds on KDG being in gainful employment 35,000/1

The odd one KDG. Batty as a box of frogs. On LSD.

Do you have a job? I'm beginning to think. I've told you before, I'm already earmarked to replace margo. You need to get a girl and stop doing crosswords, join a club and meet people. I heard you tried Eharmony? Apparently last time you filled out the application online, they sent you a phone directory and a pair of mariglods.
I know, sorry I couldn't help myself, now then back to my writing project. Bye.

If your a girl I would like to meet you, are you up for it?

Now THAT'S worrying. You are obviously the same person as the tragic KDG posting under yet another nom-de-plume (nom-de-tragique more likely). Do you have serious gender issues?

No response from KDG trust me Chris P Bacon I'm called Michael and like women :) I'd let you have my facebook to prove it but with some of the head cases on here I'd rather not :)

Michael@ClitheroeSin
ce58 wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

Chris P Bacon wrote:
The odds on KDG NOT posting on a cannabis thread 5,000/1

The odds on KDG NOT bringing up his (and it is a he, regardless of him trying to throw us of the 'Titley' sce...stench) Bob Marley madness 5,000/1

The odds on KDG getting ONE SINGLE fact correct 10,000/1

The odds on KDG making a literate, sensible, literately correct post 20,000/1

The odds on KDG being in gainful employment 35,000/1

The odd one KDG. Batty as a box of frogs. On LSD.

Do you have a job? I'm beginning to think. I've told you before, I'm already earmarked to replace margo. You need to get a girl and stop doing crosswords, join a club and meet people. I heard you tried Eharmony? Apparently last time you filled out the application online, they sent you a phone directory and a pair of mariglods.
I know, sorry I couldn't help myself, now then back to my writing project. Bye.

If your a girl I would like to meet you, are you up for it?

Well I'm back and no problem if you want to meet, Sunday 11am at the fruit counter in tescos Blackburn branch, better a public place for safety y'know. If you see a blond wearing jeans about 5' 8" with a really nice bum, thumbing the fruit, just give me a good slap on the arse, I love it. :0).

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

Michael@ClitheroeSin

ce58 wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

Chris P Bacon wrote:
The odds on KDG NOT posting on a cannabis thread 5,000/1

The odds on KDG NOT bringing up his (and it is a he, regardless of him trying to throw us of the 'Titley' sce...stench) Bob Marley madness 5,000/1

The odds on KDG getting ONE SINGLE fact correct 10,000/1

The odds on KDG making a literate, sensible, literately correct post 20,000/1

The odds on KDG being in gainful employment 35,000/1

The odd one KDG. Batty as a box of frogs. On LSD.

Do you have a job? I'm beginning to think. I've told you before, I'm already earmarked to replace margo. You need to get a girl and stop doing crosswords, join a club and meet people. I heard you tried Eharmony? Apparently last time you filled out the application online, they sent you a phone directory and a pair of mariglods.
I know, sorry I couldn't help myself, now then back to my writing project. Bye.

If your a girl I would like to meet you, are you up for it?

Well I'm back and no problem if you want to meet, Sunday 11am at the fruit counter in tescos Blackburn branch, better a public place for safety y'know. If you see a blond wearing jeans about 5' 8" with a really nice bum, thumbing the fruit, just give me a good slap on the arse, I love it. :0).

I can see the headlines on Monday, Clitheroe man arrested in Tesco Blackburn for sexual assault lol