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Is Lancashire dialect going wambly and reasty?


LINGUISTS have started an investigation into whether regional dialects are dead or, as they used to say in these parts, just a little “wambly”.

Publisher Collins hopes to trace whether dialect words such as wambly (meaning faint or sick), fratching (to quarrel) and dree (monotonous), once common in Lancashire, are still in use.

Those still in existence will be added to the Collins Corpus, a database of 4.4billion English words used to compile the Collins dictionary.

Darwen-based award-winning dialect poet Jim Atherton said that although he thought dialect was dying out, interest in it was as strong as ever.

He said: “Very few people speak dialect these days and I think it’s because of the movement of the population – people are moving out of the area more, and also coming in.

“There is also a stigma attached to it. People think it’s the language of the gutter.

“A lot of dialect is very specific to industry too, so you’ll have certain words that only miners used, or people on barges. As these industries decline and die out, so does the language.

“I would say the dialect in Lancashire varies every 10 miles and East Lancashire is different to places like Preston and Bolton.

“I address a lot of audiences on Lancashire dialect and people are fascinated by it.

“It is also very widely studied in colleges and universities.”

Collins, working with English local dialect societies, have revealed a list of around 20 words believed to have become extinct during the past 30 years – including wambly, fratching and dree from Lancashire.

People are being asked to send in responses via social networking site Twitter to reveal the last time they heard the word or if it is still in use.

David Britain, from the department of language and linguistics at the University of Essex said: “As we have become more and more mobile, socially and geographically, so local dialect words associated with particular places have been losing out to words with a wider currency.”

Collins want people to Tweet to @localwords of where and when they last heard the word, and who can be potentially identified as its last known user.

>>> Quiz

What are the meanings of these 10 Lancashire words that have fallen out of use?

1 Camping
2 Attercop
3 Agate
4 Bant
5 Baggin
6 Reasty
7 Punce
8 Pinder
9 Hoining
10 Threap

See the answers in the comments below.


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burner, blackburn says...
4:56pm Tue 3 Nov 09

Folk in Burnley would never get chance to use the word "wambly", or any variation of it, or, from next May, "premiership" !!!

jogalot, says...
6:52pm Tue 3 Nov 09

Camping is having a natter with someone.
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Agate is like "said" as in - She were agate, 'I didn't do it' and he were agate, 'oh yes you did.'
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Punce is kick as in to punce the ball.
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Baggin might mean food that you take to work, but I'm not sure and don't know the others, so would be very interested to find out! I hope these words don't die out.

burner, blackburn says...
7:00pm Tue 3 Nov 09

I reckon hoining means annoying someone, as in a child mithering.

Does bant mean don't ?

Is attercop the same as all to pot - in a bit of a mess ?

I agree with the previous post.

MerlinTheVoiceofReason, Ramsbottom says...
7:06pm Tue 3 Nov 09

jogalot wrote:
Camping is having a natter with someone.
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Agate is like "said" as in - She were agate, 'I didn't do it' and he were agate, 'oh yes you did.'
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Punce is kick as in to punce the ball.
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Baggin might mean food that you take to work, but I'm not sure and don't know the others, so would be very interested to find out! I hope these words don't die out.
Not heard "punce" for years lol... thanks for that one, made me laugh!

Don't forget powfagged or jiggered.

jogalot, says...
8:29pm Tue 3 Nov 09

I've not heard any of them, burner, but I think dialect can change in a couple of miles not just in 10 like the article says. I've heard of powfagged, Merlin, but never heard anybody say it! Where do they say that? I've also heard and still say jiggered but I'm not sure how widespread it is. My dad, from Preston, used it a lot but when we moved to Ossy and Accy everybody used b*ggered or kn*ckered.
I remember another one I haven't heard for 40 years - laking or is it laiking? Means lazing about or sciving.

jogalot, says...
8:34pm Tue 3 Nov 09

And of course for powfagged or jiggered, I forgot "fagged out" which I also haven't heard for a long time.

Crispy, Clitheroe says...
8:49pm Tue 3 Nov 09

From my own memory & use, I'm familiar with 4 words in the list, & indeed, still use them myself, on occasion. Not heard the other words.
Camping - Chatting, passing the time of day with others.
Agate - What are you doing? As in, "Wot's tha' agate wi'?"
Bagin - Snack with a brew between meals. eg Tea & scones.
Hoining - Annoying or irritating. As in, "Stop hoining me!" Same use as Mythering.
Other words that I think of are;
Brossan - Fully sated after a meal. As in, "I'm fair brossan after that lot!"
Fettle - Mend/repair, or condition/health of something/someone. As in, " I were in reet good fettle last neet."
Laking - Messing about. As in, "We were only laking about."
Chuntering - Muttering and/or grumbling.

burner, blackburn says...
10:36pm Tue 3 Nov 09

Too tired to think any more tonight. I'm fair jiggered!

MerlinTheVoiceofReason, Ramsbottom says...
10:40pm Tue 3 Nov 09

jogalot wrote:
I've not heard any of them, burner, but I think dialect can change in a couple of miles not just in 10 like the article says. I've heard of powfagged, Merlin, but never heard anybody say it! Where do they say that? I've also heard and still say jiggered but I'm not sure how widespread it is. My dad, from Preston, used it a lot but when we moved to Ossy and Accy everybody used b*ggered or kn*ckered.
I remember another one I haven't heard for 40 years - laking or is it laiking? Means lazing about or sciving.
Powfagged was used a lot around Blackburn, Darwen, Rammy and also around Oldham and Ashton way I think in the 70s ... just remembered a 5 Penny Piece Song with it in!

MerlinTheVoiceofReason, Ramsbottom says...
10:44pm Tue 3 Nov 09

Forgot to add, The Lancashire Hotpots are doing a grand and gradely job of putting some Lanky back into popular parlance!

'ee 'as reet fair klempt an' all ... off to mek mi'sen a brew, am parched! Si'thi

jogalot, says...
12:33pm Wed 4 Nov 09

I remember going to Blackburn when I was young and hardly understanding a thing a couple of fellas were saying. Amazing how words and accents can be so different 5 miles apart.
Good job that the Weavers, 5 Penny Piece and Hotpots are doing. Perhaps these words will come back into fashion. There seems to be a move towards it on tv with regional accents now accepted. I hope so!
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Reight, I'm off for a pow now. Si thi later!

Paul Cockerton, Lancashire Telegraph web editor says...
11:57am Fri 6 Nov 09

Here are the answers:

1 talking
2 large spiders
3 said
4 vigour/energy
5 snack
6 off/stale
7 to kick
8 to burn or shrivel
9 bother/irritate
10 to contradict

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