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Smoking ban rebel defiant
2:56pm Thursday 5th July 2007
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A landlord who is defying the smoking ban is on the brink of prosecution and customers who continue to light up at his pub could shortly be issued with on-the-spot fines.
Hamish Howitt, of the Happy Scots Bar, Rigby Road, claims he will not pay any fines issued against him and is prepared to challenge the ban in court.
He has been openly defying the ban since its inception on Sunday and council officials have confirmed the pub is the only one in the borough that is flouting the new legislation.
Tim Coglan, head of quality standards at Blackpool Council said officers visited premises last weekend with the Happy Scots the only one to be issued with a warning.
He added: "Anyone found smoking on the premises is likely to be issued with a fixed penaly notice of £50. We are approaching smoke-free enforcement in a non-confrontational way, but if attempts to encourage compliance do not succeed it could result in prosecution and a possible loss of licence for offenders."
However Mr Howitt, says he is quite is quite happy to get locked up by defying the ban.
He said: "I suppose they are going to come after me but I believe I'm just standing up for what is right.
"I won't be stopping my customers smoking. I will go to jail if I have to, and I will go gladly."
l To mark the start of the ban, Houndshill Shopping Centre organised a No Smoking Awareness Day. Look-alikes from TV show Absolutely Fabulous characters Patsy and Edina handed out information to shoppers on how to give up smoking.
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Janna, UK says...
3:42pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Janna, UK says...
3:42pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Janna, UK says...
3:42pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Happy Expat., says...
4:02pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Happy Expat., says...
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Happy Expat., says...
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Happy Expat., says...
4:02pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Happy Expat., says...
4:04pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Happy Expat., says...
4:04pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Happy Expat., says...
4:04pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Happy Expat., says...
4:04pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Tich, UK says...
4:32pm Thu 5 Jul 07
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Tich, UK says...
4:32pm Thu 5 Jul 07
freedom2choose.co.uk
Tich, UK says...
4:32pm Thu 5 Jul 07
freedom2choose.co.uk
Tich, UK says...
4:32pm Thu 5 Jul 07
freedom2choose.co.uk
Neil E Dunn, says...
4:44pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Neil E Dunn, says...
4:44pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Neil E Dunn, says...
4:44pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Neil E Dunn, says...
4:44pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Christina, says...
5:04pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Strange that they're using Patsy as a role-model for anti-smoking. Isn't Joanna Lumley just about the most beautiful and youthful real-life smoker you've ever seen?
Christina, says...
5:04pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Strange that they're using Patsy as a role-model for anti-smoking. Isn't Joanna Lumley just about the most beautiful and youthful real-life smoker you've ever seen?
Christina, says...
5:04pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Strange that they're using Patsy as a role-model for anti-smoking. Isn't Joanna Lumley just about the most beautiful and youthful real-life smoker you've ever seen?
Christina, says...
5:04pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Strange that they're using Patsy as a role-model for anti-smoking. Isn't Joanna Lumley just about the most beautiful and youthful real-life smoker you've ever seen?
Paul, Belfast says...
5:32pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Paul, Belfast says...
5:32pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Paul, Belfast says...
5:32pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Paul, Belfast says...
5:32pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Christina, London says...
5:40pm Thu 5 Jul 07
What makes us special is that we support your right to smoke-free air and our own right to smoke. We seek an amicable compromise. We come in peace. That is liberty. That is special. The anti-smokers just want everything their own way. Now THAT is what is childish.
Christina, London says...
5:40pm Thu 5 Jul 07
What makes us special is that we support your right to smoke-free air and our own right to smoke. We seek an amicable compromise. We come in peace. That is liberty. That is special. The anti-smokers just want everything their own way. Now THAT is what is childish.
Christina, London says...
5:40pm Thu 5 Jul 07
What makes us special is that we support your right to smoke-free air and our own right to smoke. We seek an amicable compromise. We come in peace. That is liberty. That is special. The anti-smokers just want everything their own way. Now THAT is what is childish.
Christina, London says...
5:40pm Thu 5 Jul 07
What makes us special is that we support your right to smoke-free air and our own right to smoke. We seek an amicable compromise. We come in peace. That is liberty. That is special. The anti-smokers just want everything their own way. Now THAT is what is childish.
Sab DArgenio, Bedfordshire says...
5:47pm Thu 5 Jul 07
About time us British people showed we had some balls and dont just do as we are told. Were we even asked??
How comes all the reviews and surveys show that most British people were against a total ban!!!
Statistics show that this is affecting mainly old people and the poor.
7 billion pounds is made by the government each year from us smokers....apparantl
y smokers additonal costs to the health service are about 1.6 billion - wheres the extra £££££ going???
Who ever voted labout in???? Lets get them out!!
What ever happenend to the saying "Power to the People" Wheres our Smithy from Citizen Smith???
Sab DArgenio, Bedfordshire says...
5:47pm Thu 5 Jul 07
About time us British people showed we had some balls and dont just do as we are told. Were we even asked??
How comes all the reviews and surveys show that most British people were against a total ban!!!
Statistics show that this is affecting mainly old people and the poor.
7 billion pounds is made by the government each year from us smokers....apparantl
y smokers additonal costs to the health service are about 1.6 billion - wheres the extra £££££ going???
Who ever voted labout in???? Lets get them out!!
What ever happenend to the saying "Power to the People" Wheres our Smithy from Citizen Smith???
Sab DArgenio, Bedfordshire says...
5:47pm Thu 5 Jul 07
About time us British people showed we had some balls and dont just do as we are told. Were we even asked??
How comes all the reviews and surveys show that most British people were against a total ban!!!
Statistics show that this is affecting mainly old people and the poor.
7 billion pounds is made by the government each year from us smokers....apparantl
y smokers additonal costs to the health service are about 1.6 billion - wheres the extra £££££ going???
Who ever voted labout in???? Lets get them out!!
What ever happenend to the saying "Power to the People" Wheres our Smithy from Citizen Smith???
Sab DArgenio, Bedfordshire says...
5:47pm Thu 5 Jul 07
About time us British people showed we had some balls and dont just do as we are told. Were we even asked??
How comes all the reviews and surveys show that most British people were against a total ban!!!
Statistics show that this is affecting mainly old people and the poor.
7 billion pounds is made by the government each year from us smokers....apparantl
y smokers additonal costs to the health service are about 1.6 billion - wheres the extra £££££ going???
Who ever voted labout in???? Lets get them out!!
What ever happenend to the saying "Power to the People" Wheres our Smithy from Citizen Smith???
Lesley Dove, Hampton, UK says...
6:23pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Lesley Dove, Hampton, UK says...
6:23pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Lesley Dove, Hampton, UK says...
6:23pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Lesley Dove, Hampton, UK says...
6:23pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Bill Dollan, Co Durham says...
6:58pm Thu 5 Jul 07
All power to your fight I wish we had some like you here in the North East.
Bill Dollan, Co Durham says...
6:58pm Thu 5 Jul 07
All power to your fight I wish we had some like you here in the North East.
Bill Dollan, Co Durham says...
6:58pm Thu 5 Jul 07
All power to your fight I wish we had some like you here in the North East.
Bill Dollan, Co Durham says...
6:58pm Thu 5 Jul 07
All power to your fight I wish we had some like you here in the North East.
Don McCarthy, says...
7:21pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Well done Hamish Howitt. That there were more like you.
Don McCarthy, says...
7:21pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Well done Hamish Howitt. That there were more like you.
Don McCarthy, says...
7:21pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Well done Hamish Howitt. That there were more like you.
Don McCarthy, says...
7:21pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Well done Hamish Howitt. That there were more like you.
CJ, Blackpool says...
7:39pm Thu 5 Jul 07
CJ, Blackpool says...
7:39pm Thu 5 Jul 07
CJ, Blackpool says...
7:39pm Thu 5 Jul 07
CJ, Blackpool says...
7:39pm Thu 5 Jul 07
jacqueline nicholson, Bolton says...
9:06pm Thu 5 Jul 07
,cruellest and socially divisive imposed by any British Goverment.
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jacqueline nicholson, Bolton says...
9:06pm Thu 5 Jul 07
,cruellest and socially divisive imposed by any British Goverment.
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jacqueline nicholson, Bolton says...
9:06pm Thu 5 Jul 07
,cruellest and socially divisive imposed by any British Goverment.
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jacqueline nicholson, Bolton says...
9:06pm Thu 5 Jul 07
,cruellest and socially divisive imposed by any British Goverment.
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Ben, Blackburn says...
11:55pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Ben, Blackburn says...
11:55pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Ben, Blackburn says...
11:55pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Ben, Blackburn says...
11:55pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Ben, Blackburn says...
11:58pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Don McCarthy wrote:That's terrible... funny how these statistics don't get published though... obviously because the government don't want people to know!
The Bars in Ireland are most certainly NOT making more profit since the ban - in particular those 1200+ bars(and counting) which have permanently closed as a result of this outrageous abuse of political power. Well done Hamish Howitt. That there were more like you.
Ben, Blackburn says...
11:58pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Don McCarthy wrote:That's terrible... funny how these statistics don't get published though... obviously because the government don't want people to know!
The Bars in Ireland are most certainly NOT making more profit since the ban - in particular those 1200+ bars(and counting) which have permanently closed as a result of this outrageous abuse of political power. Well done Hamish Howitt. That there were more like you.
Ben, Blackburn says...
11:58pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Don McCarthy wrote:That's terrible... funny how these statistics don't get published though... obviously because the government don't want people to know!
The Bars in Ireland are most certainly NOT making more profit since the ban - in particular those 1200+ bars(and counting) which have permanently closed as a result of this outrageous abuse of political power. Well done Hamish Howitt. That there were more like you.
Ben, Blackburn says...
11:58pm Thu 5 Jul 07
Don McCarthy wrote:That's terrible... funny how these statistics don't get published though... obviously because the government don't want people to know!
The Bars in Ireland are most certainly NOT making more profit since the ban - in particular those 1200+ bars(and counting) which have permanently closed as a result of this outrageous abuse of political power. Well done Hamish Howitt. That there were more like you.
godrey cleveland, gerrards cross says...
7:31pm Fri 6 Jul 07
If I lived closer I would join you for a fag.
As it is I have been drinking indoors since last sunday. My local pubs are half empty.
I have been in pubs in Scotland and Ireland since the ban started and would say it is a total disaster.We need a national pro smokers march on London.If I was a bit younger I would love to organise it.
Godfry Cleveland
godrey cleveland, gerrards cross says...
7:31pm Fri 6 Jul 07
If I lived closer I would join you for a fag.
As it is I have been drinking indoors since last sunday. My local pubs are half empty.
I have been in pubs in Scotland and Ireland since the ban started and would say it is a total disaster.We need a national pro smokers march on London.If I was a bit younger I would love to organise it.
Godfry Cleveland
godrey cleveland, gerrards cross says...
7:31pm Fri 6 Jul 07
If I lived closer I would join you for a fag.
As it is I have been drinking indoors since last sunday. My local pubs are half empty.
I have been in pubs in Scotland and Ireland since the ban started and would say it is a total disaster.We need a national pro smokers march on London.If I was a bit younger I would love to organise it.
Godfry Cleveland
godrey cleveland, gerrards cross says...
7:31pm Fri 6 Jul 07
If I lived closer I would join you for a fag.
As it is I have been drinking indoors since last sunday. My local pubs are half empty.
I have been in pubs in Scotland and Ireland since the ban started and would say it is a total disaster.We need a national pro smokers march on London.If I was a bit younger I would love to organise it.
Godfry Cleveland
Robert, Blackpool says...
11:20pm Fri 6 Jul 07
Robert, Blackpool says...
11:20pm Fri 6 Jul 07
Robert, Blackpool says...
11:20pm Fri 6 Jul 07
Robert, Blackpool says...
11:20pm Fri 6 Jul 07
Ted, Liverpool says...
8:38am Sat 7 Jul 07
Ted, Liverpool says...
8:38am Sat 7 Jul 07
Ted, Liverpool says...
8:38am Sat 7 Jul 07
Ted, Liverpool says...
8:38am Sat 7 Jul 07
MRab2, Worcester says...
10:10am Sat 7 Jul 07
MRab2, Worcester says...
10:10am Sat 7 Jul 07
MRab2, Worcester says...
10:10am Sat 7 Jul 07
MRab2, Worcester says...
10:10am Sat 7 Jul 07
CJ, Blackpool says...
11:44am Sat 7 Jul 07
Ted wrote:The fact that an overwhelming majority support the ban is not lies and rubbish. It is just that arrogant narrow-minded pro-smokers like you can't accept that you are the minority. You are NOT a majority, you've lost so get over it. Smoking kills people, the ban is there to promote better health. I hope Hamish does lose business as a punishment for his utter arrogance and lack of thought for people's health. Trading standards will hopefully shut him down soon and then he really will lose business. All these pro-smoking extremists supporting him are supporting the death of thousands of people each year. The smoking ban is not 'fascist' it is perfectly fair. So please just stop moaning because the Government will not overturn the ban when 80% are for it and you are a tiny minority of the population
Nice one Hamish, if the rubbish these antis spout about 70% want the ban was true they wouldn\'t be worried about you would they because you would be losing so much trade you wouldn\'t be able to continue. Trouble is they know its just more lies and that given the choice people want smoking pubs.
CJ, Blackpool says...
11:44am Sat 7 Jul 07
Ted wrote:The fact that an overwhelming majority support the ban is not lies and rubbish. It is just that arrogant narrow-minded pro-smokers like you can't accept that you are the minority. You are NOT a majority, you've lost so get over it. Smoking kills people, the ban is there to promote better health. I hope Hamish does lose business as a punishment for his utter arrogance and lack of thought for people's health. Trading standards will hopefully shut him down soon and then he really will lose business. All these pro-smoking extremists supporting him are supporting the death of thousands of people each year. The smoking ban is not 'fascist' it is perfectly fair. So please just stop moaning because the Government will not overturn the ban when 80% are for it and you are a tiny minority of the population
Nice one Hamish, if the rubbish these antis spout about 70% want the ban was true they wouldn\'t be worried about you would they because you would be losing so much trade you wouldn\'t be able to continue. Trouble is they know its just more lies and that given the choice people want smoking pubs.
CJ, Blackpool says...
11:44am Sat 7 Jul 07
Ted wrote:The fact that an overwhelming majority support the ban is not lies and rubbish. It is just that arrogant narrow-minded pro-smokers like you can't accept that you are the minority. You are NOT a majority, you've lost so get over it. Smoking kills people, the ban is there to promote better health. I hope Hamish does lose business as a punishment for his utter arrogance and lack of thought for people's health. Trading standards will hopefully shut him down soon and then he really will lose business. All these pro-smoking extremists supporting him are supporting the death of thousands of people each year. The smoking ban is not 'fascist' it is perfectly fair. So please just stop moaning because the Government will not overturn the ban when 80% are for it and you are a tiny minority of the population
Nice one Hamish, if the rubbish these antis spout about 70% want the ban was true they wouldn\'t be worried about you would they because you would be losing so much trade you wouldn\'t be able to continue. Trouble is they know its just more lies and that given the choice people want smoking pubs.
CJ, Blackpool says...
11:44am Sat 7 Jul 07
Ted wrote:The fact that an overwhelming majority support the ban is not lies and rubbish. It is just that arrogant narrow-minded pro-smokers like you can't accept that you are the minority. You are NOT a majority, you've lost so get over it. Smoking kills people, the ban is there to promote better health. I hope Hamish does lose business as a punishment for his utter arrogance and lack of thought for people's health. Trading standards will hopefully shut him down soon and then he really will lose business. All these pro-smoking extremists supporting him are supporting the death of thousands of people each year. The smoking ban is not 'fascist' it is perfectly fair. So please just stop moaning because the Government will not overturn the ban when 80% are for it and you are a tiny minority of the population
Nice one Hamish, if the rubbish these antis spout about 70% want the ban was true they wouldn\'t be worried about you would they because you would be losing so much trade you wouldn\'t be able to continue. Trouble is they know its just more lies and that given the choice people want smoking pubs.
Seasider, Blackpool says...
2:34pm Sat 7 Jul 07
Codswollop!!! An ONS Survey two years running has shown 67% want a choice ! that is why the pubs obeying the ban are empty !before a ban there was 50,60 70 or 80% or more smokers in pubs ,the people voting for total bans are antismokers ! who don,t even do pubs !
Seasider, Blackpool says...
2:34pm Sat 7 Jul 07
Codswollop!!! An ONS Survey two years running has shown 67% want a choice ! that is why the pubs obeying the ban are empty !before a ban there was 50,60 70 or 80% or more smokers in pubs ,the people voting for total bans are antismokers ! who don,t even do pubs !
Seasider, Blackpool says...
2:34pm Sat 7 Jul 07
Codswollop!!! An ONS Survey two years running has shown 67% want a choice ! that is why the pubs obeying the ban are empty !before a ban there was 50,60 70 or 80% or more smokers in pubs ,the people voting for total bans are antismokers ! who don,t even do pubs !
Seasider, Blackpool says...
2:34pm Sat 7 Jul 07
Codswollop!!! An ONS Survey two years running has shown 67% want a choice ! that is why the pubs obeying the ban are empty !before a ban there was 50,60 70 or 80% or more smokers in pubs ,the people voting for total bans are antismokers ! who don,t even do pubs !
CJ, Blackpool says...
7:30pm Sat 7 Jul 07
CJ, Blackpool says...
7:30pm Sat 7 Jul 07
CJ, Blackpool says...
7:30pm Sat 7 Jul 07
CJ, Blackpool says...
7:30pm Sat 7 Jul 07
Belinda, says...
10:01pm Sat 7 Jul 07
Belinda, says...
10:01pm Sat 7 Jul 07
Belinda, says...
10:01pm Sat 7 Jul 07
Belinda, says...
10:01pm Sat 7 Jul 07
Robert, Blackpool says...
10:03pm Sat 7 Jul 07
CJ wrote:Ok Mr Know all where is the proof that 80% are in favour of the ban. was there a secret referendum on the ban because I don't remember the public voting ( I wonder why MPs didn't want a public referendum. ) So unless you have the proof shut up.
Ted wrote:The fact that an overwhelming majority support the ban is not lies and rubbish. It is just that arrogant narrow-minded pro-smokers like you can\'t accept that you are the minority. You are NOT a majority, you\'ve lost so get over it. Smoking kills people, the ban is there to promote better health. I hope Hamish does lose business as a punishment for his utter arrogance and lack of thought for people\'s health. Trading standards will hopefully shut him down soon and then he really will lose business. All these pro-smoking extremists supporting him are supporting the death of thousands of people each year. The smoking ban is not \'fascist\' it is perfectly fair. So please just stop moaning because the Government will not overturn the ban when 80% are for it and you are a tiny minority of the population
Nice one Hamish, if the rubbish these antis spout about 70% want the ban was true they wouldn\\\'t be worried about you would they because you would be losing so much trade you wouldn\\\'t be able to continue. Trouble is they know its just more lies and that given the choice people want smoking pubs.
Robert, Blackpool says...
10:03pm Sat 7 Jul 07
CJ wrote:Ok Mr Know all where is the proof that 80% are in favour of the ban. was there a secret referendum on the ban because I don't remember the public voting ( I wonder why MPs didn't want a public referendum. ) So unless you have the proof shut up.
Ted wrote:The fact that an overwhelming majority support the ban is not lies and rubbish. It is just that arrogant narrow-minded pro-smokers like you can\'t accept that you are the minority. You are NOT a majority, you\'ve lost so get over it. Smoking kills people, the ban is there to promote better health. I hope Hamish does lose business as a punishment for his utter arrogance and lack of thought for people\'s health. Trading standards will hopefully shut him down soon and then he really will lose business. All these pro-smoking extremists supporting him are supporting the death of thousands of people each year. The smoking ban is not \'fascist\' it is perfectly fair. So please just stop moaning because the Government will not overturn the ban when 80% are for it and you are a tiny minority of the population
Nice one Hamish, if the rubbish these antis spout about 70% want the ban was true they wouldn\\\'t be worried about you would they because you would be losing so much trade you wouldn\\\'t be able to continue. Trouble is they know its just more lies and that given the choice people want smoking pubs.
Robert, Blackpool says...
10:03pm Sat 7 Jul 07
CJ wrote:Ok Mr Know all where is the proof that 80% are in favour of the ban. was there a secret referendum on the ban because I don't remember the public voting ( I wonder why MPs didn't want a public referendum. ) So unless you have the proof shut up.
Ted wrote:The fact that an overwhelming majority support the ban is not lies and rubbish. It is just that arrogant narrow-minded pro-smokers like you can\'t accept that you are the minority. You are NOT a majority, you\'ve lost so get over it. Smoking kills people, the ban is there to promote better health. I hope Hamish does lose business as a punishment for his utter arrogance and lack of thought for people\'s health. Trading standards will hopefully shut him down soon and then he really will lose business. All these pro-smoking extremists supporting him are supporting the death of thousands of people each year. The smoking ban is not \'fascist\' it is perfectly fair. So please just stop moaning because the Government will not overturn the ban when 80% are for it and you are a tiny minority of the population
Nice one Hamish, if the rubbish these antis spout about 70% want the ban was true they wouldn\\\'t be worried about you would they because you would be losing so much trade you wouldn\\\'t be able to continue. Trouble is they know its just more lies and that given the choice people want smoking pubs.
Robert, Blackpool says...
10:03pm Sat 7 Jul 07
CJ wrote:Ok Mr Know all where is the proof that 80% are in favour of the ban. was there a secret referendum on the ban because I don't remember the public voting ( I wonder why MPs didn't want a public referendum. ) So unless you have the proof shut up.
Ted wrote:The fact that an overwhelming majority support the ban is not lies and rubbish. It is just that arrogant narrow-minded pro-smokers like you can\'t accept that you are the minority. You are NOT a majority, you\'ve lost so get over it. Smoking kills people, the ban is there to promote better health. I hope Hamish does lose business as a punishment for his utter arrogance and lack of thought for people\'s health. Trading standards will hopefully shut him down soon and then he really will lose business. All these pro-smoking extremists supporting him are supporting the death of thousands of people each year. The smoking ban is not \'fascist\' it is perfectly fair. So please just stop moaning because the Government will not overturn the ban when 80% are for it and you are a tiny minority of the population
Nice one Hamish, if the rubbish these antis spout about 70% want the ban was true they wouldn\\\'t be worried about you would they because you would be losing so much trade you wouldn\\\'t be able to continue. Trouble is they know its just more lies and that given the choice people want smoking pubs.
CJ, Blackpool says...
12:00am Sun 8 Jul 07
CJ, Blackpool says...
12:00am Sun 8 Jul 07
CJ, Blackpool says...
12:00am Sun 8 Jul 07
CJ, Blackpool says...
12:00am Sun 8 Jul 07
J.Ross, Newcastle says...
2:27am Sun 8 Jul 07
J.Ross, Newcastle says...
2:27am Sun 8 Jul 07
J.Ross, Newcastle says...
2:27am Sun 8 Jul 07
J.Ross, Newcastle says...
2:27am Sun 8 Jul 07
CJ, Blackpool says...
2:19pm Sun 8 Jul 07
J.Ross wrote:What a load of cobblers. You smokers don't debate, you just moan and abuse. Coming out with extremist rubbish like saying the ban is fascist and calling us Nazis, that is hate filled abuse. We anti-smokers are the only ones who debate fairly. One of us makes a fair point and you just rubbish it claiming your 'rights' are being breached and you are being surpressed. The only hate filled abuse on here comes from pro-smokers so get your facts straight. Hamish is an arrogant narrow-minded fool who won't be laughing so loud when his bar is closed down.
Well done Mr Hewitt, the spirit of tolerance may be under seige, but is still alive and kicking. Isn't it funny how in these debates about the ban, the abusive hate-filled posts always come from the anti-smokers?
CJ, Blackpool says...
2:19pm Sun 8 Jul 07
J.Ross wrote:What a load of cobblers. You smokers don't debate, you just moan and abuse. Coming out with extremist rubbish like saying the ban is fascist and calling us Nazis, that is hate filled abuse. We anti-smokers are the only ones who debate fairly. One of us makes a fair point and you just rubbish it claiming your 'rights' are being breached and you are being surpressed. The only hate filled abuse on here comes from pro-smokers so get your facts straight. Hamish is an arrogant narrow-minded fool who won't be laughing so loud when his bar is closed down.
Well done Mr Hewitt, the spirit of tolerance may be under seige, but is still alive and kicking. Isn't it funny how in these debates about the ban, the abusive hate-filled posts always come from the anti-smokers?
CJ, Blackpool says...
2:19pm Sun 8 Jul 07
J.Ross wrote:What a load of cobblers. You smokers don't debate, you just moan and abuse. Coming out with extremist rubbish like saying the ban is fascist and calling us Nazis, that is hate filled abuse. We anti-smokers are the only ones who debate fairly. One of us makes a fair point and you just rubbish it claiming your 'rights' are being breached and you are being surpressed. The only hate filled abuse on here comes from pro-smokers so get your facts straight. Hamish is an arrogant narrow-minded fool who won't be laughing so loud when his bar is closed down.
Well done Mr Hewitt, the spirit of tolerance may be under seige, but is still alive and kicking. Isn't it funny how in these debates about the ban, the abusive hate-filled posts always come from the anti-smokers?
CJ, Blackpool says...
2:19pm Sun 8 Jul 07
J.Ross wrote:What a load of cobblers. You smokers don't debate, you just moan and abuse. Coming out with extremist rubbish like saying the ban is fascist and calling us Nazis, that is hate filled abuse. We anti-smokers are the only ones who debate fairly. One of us makes a fair point and you just rubbish it claiming your 'rights' are being breached and you are being surpressed. The only hate filled abuse on here comes from pro-smokers so get your facts straight. Hamish is an arrogant narrow-minded fool who won't be laughing so loud when his bar is closed down.
Well done Mr Hewitt, the spirit of tolerance may be under seige, but is still alive and kicking. Isn't it funny how in these debates about the ban, the abusive hate-filled posts always come from the anti-smokers?
Greg Burrows, Dewsbury says...
8:28am Mon 9 Jul 07
The SCOTH committee created by government who say second hand smoke is harmful, are not speaking the truth, second hand smoke may be insignificantly harmful but so is water,coffee,most household products and cosmetics, also look at the other interests that some members of SCOTH have, ASH and pharmacutical interests, this committee is a disgrace to everything Britain stands for. Even HSE say in HSE OC 255/15 they cannot produce evidence that second hand smoke is harmful.
Good on you Nick fight for freedom 2 choose.
Greg Burrows, Dewsbury says...
8:28am Mon 9 Jul 07
The SCOTH committee created by government who say second hand smoke is harmful, are not speaking the truth, second hand smoke may be insignificantly harmful but so is water,coffee,most household products and cosmetics, also look at the other interests that some members of SCOTH have, ASH and pharmacutical interests, this committee is a disgrace to everything Britain stands for. Even HSE say in HSE OC 255/15 they cannot produce evidence that second hand smoke is harmful.
Good on you Nick fight for freedom 2 choose.
Greg Burrows, Dewsbury says...
8:28am Mon 9 Jul 07
The SCOTH committee created by government who say second hand smoke is harmful, are not speaking the truth, second hand smoke may be insignificantly harmful but so is water,coffee,most household products and cosmetics, also look at the other interests that some members of SCOTH have, ASH and pharmacutical interests, this committee is a disgrace to everything Britain stands for. Even HSE say in HSE OC 255/15 they cannot produce evidence that second hand smoke is harmful.
Good on you Nick fight for freedom 2 choose.
Greg Burrows, Dewsbury says...
8:28am Mon 9 Jul 07
The SCOTH committee created by government who say second hand smoke is harmful, are not speaking the truth, second hand smoke may be insignificantly harmful but so is water,coffee,most household products and cosmetics, also look at the other interests that some members of SCOTH have, ASH and pharmacutical interests, this committee is a disgrace to everything Britain stands for. Even HSE say in HSE OC 255/15 they cannot produce evidence that second hand smoke is harmful.
Good on you Nick fight for freedom 2 choose.
Exocet, Scotland says...
1:24pm Mon 9 Jul 07
Well done HAMISH HOWITT, NICK HOGAN and TONY BLOWS and the others who will shortly follow suit and fight this ban.
National Newspapers ( Scottish editions ) have censored any references to the defiance of the Smoking Ban in England as the Government are terrified of a Scottish backlash as well.
I was at The Swan in Bolton on 1st July and on the way back to Scotland I bought the English papers and then compared them with the Scottish editions. The result was " CENSORSHIP BY SILENCE ".
SCOTLAND WILL RISE AND FIGHT THIS BAN
Exocet, Scotland says...
1:24pm Mon 9 Jul 07
Well done HAMISH HOWITT, NICK HOGAN and TONY BLOWS and the others who will shortly follow suit and fight this ban.
National Newspapers ( Scottish editions ) have censored any references to the defiance of the Smoking Ban in England as the Government are terrified of a Scottish backlash as well.
I was at The Swan in Bolton on 1st July and on the way back to Scotland I bought the English papers and then compared them with the Scottish editions. The result was " CENSORSHIP BY SILENCE ".
SCOTLAND WILL RISE AND FIGHT THIS BAN
Exocet, Scotland says...
1:24pm Mon 9 Jul 07
Well done HAMISH HOWITT, NICK HOGAN and TONY BLOWS and the others who will shortly follow suit and fight this ban.
National Newspapers ( Scottish editions ) have censored any references to the defiance of the Smoking Ban in England as the Government are terrified of a Scottish backlash as well.
I was at The Swan in Bolton on 1st July and on the way back to Scotland I bought the English papers and then compared them with the Scottish editions. The result was " CENSORSHIP BY SILENCE ".
SCOTLAND WILL RISE AND FIGHT THIS BAN
Exocet, Scotland says...
1:24pm Mon 9 Jul 07
Well done HAMISH HOWITT, NICK HOGAN and TONY BLOWS and the others who will shortly follow suit and fight this ban.
National Newspapers ( Scottish editions ) have censored any references to the defiance of the Smoking Ban in England as the Government are terrified of a Scottish backlash as well.
I was at The Swan in Bolton on 1st July and on the way back to Scotland I bought the English papers and then compared them with the Scottish editions. The result was " CENSORSHIP BY SILENCE ".
SCOTLAND WILL RISE AND FIGHT THIS BAN
Wahoooo, Blackpool says...
1:32pm Tue 10 Jul 07
Went out on friday night and was able to actually breathe.
Also I didnt return home stinking of fags, which is a bonus.
Thank god for the smoking bad!!
Wahoooo, Blackpool says...
1:32pm Tue 10 Jul 07
Went out on friday night and was able to actually breathe.
Also I didnt return home stinking of fags, which is a bonus.
Thank god for the smoking bad!!
Wahoooo, Blackpool says...
1:32pm Tue 10 Jul 07
Went out on friday night and was able to actually breathe.
Also I didnt return home stinking of fags, which is a bonus.
Thank god for the smoking bad!!
Wahoooo, Blackpool says...
1:32pm Tue 10 Jul 07
Went out on friday night and was able to actually breathe.
Also I didnt return home stinking of fags, which is a bonus.
Thank god for the smoking bad!!
Michael J. McFadden, Philadelphia says...
9:33pm Tue 10 Jul 07
hIsALie.com and download, print out, and read the Day Of Defiance! booklet and the Kill The Ban! newsletter from the boxes below the red essays.
Michael J. McFadden
Author of Dissecting Antismokers' Brains
Michael J. McFadden, Philadelphia says...
9:33pm Tue 10 Jul 07
hIsALie.com and download, print out, and read the Day Of Defiance! booklet and the Kill The Ban! newsletter from the boxes below the red essays.
Michael J. McFadden
Author of Dissecting Antismokers' Brains
Michael J. McFadden, Philadelphia says...
9:33pm Tue 10 Jul 07
hIsALie.com and download, print out, and read the Day Of Defiance! booklet and the Kill The Ban! newsletter from the boxes below the red essays.
Michael J. McFadden
Author of Dissecting Antismokers' Brains
Michael J. McFadden, Philadelphia says...
9:33pm Tue 10 Jul 07
hIsALie.com and download, print out, and read the Day Of Defiance! booklet and the Kill The Ban! newsletter from the boxes below the red essays.
Michael J. McFadden
Author of Dissecting Antismokers' Brains
Caroline Morgan, Bucks says...
2:41pm Thu 12 Jul 07
Caroline Morgan, Bucks says...
2:41pm Thu 12 Jul 07
Caroline Morgan, Bucks says...
2:41pm Thu 12 Jul 07
Caroline Morgan, Bucks says...
2:41pm Thu 12 Jul 07
tracerace, Worcestershire says...
3:20pm Thu 12 Jul 07
Well there's plenty of it outside:
Which is exactly where you will be along with all us smokers;
as eventually there will be no good old British Pubs left! YOU WILL HAVE HAD THEM ALL CLOSED DOWN!!
Then where will we all go???????????
Hitler took this view about smoking and everyone knows what a Tyrant he was!
Be Careful, very careful what you preach....Remember the old saying "what comes around goes around!"
Britsih people smokers or not fought wwar 2 for all of our liberties and freedom of choice.
Those very people, alot that are no longer here, would turn in there grave to realize, that their future generations, were going to hand all that they fought for, to a dictorial Goverment, on a plate.
REMEMBER WE'RE BRITISH, and as such the only fair way to go is...
FREEDOM OF CHOICE!
A concerned citizen
tracerace, Worcestershire says...
3:20pm Thu 12 Jul 07
Well there's plenty of it outside:
Which is exactly where you will be along with all us smokers;
as eventually there will be no good old British Pubs left! YOU WILL HAVE HAD THEM ALL CLOSED DOWN!!
Then where will we all go???????????
Hitler took this view about smoking and everyone knows what a Tyrant he was!
Be Careful, very careful what you preach....Remember the old saying "what comes around goes around!"
Britsih people smokers or not fought wwar 2 for all of our liberties and freedom of choice.
Those very people, alot that are no longer here, would turn in there grave to realize, that their future generations, were going to hand all that they fought for, to a dictorial Goverment, on a plate.
REMEMBER WE'RE BRITISH, and as such the only fair way to go is...
FREEDOM OF CHOICE!
A concerned citizen
tracerace, Worcestershire says...
3:20pm Thu 12 Jul 07
Well there's plenty of it outside:
Which is exactly where you will be along with all us smokers;
as eventually there will be no good old British Pubs left! YOU WILL HAVE HAD THEM ALL CLOSED DOWN!!
Then where will we all go???????????
Hitler took this view about smoking and everyone knows what a Tyrant he was!
Be Careful, very careful what you preach....Remember the old saying "what comes around goes around!"
Britsih people smokers or not fought wwar 2 for all of our liberties and freedom of choice.
Those very people, alot that are no longer here, would turn in there grave to realize, that their future generations, were going to hand all that they fought for, to a dictorial Goverment, on a plate.
REMEMBER WE'RE BRITISH, and as such the only fair way to go is...
FREEDOM OF CHOICE!
A concerned citizen
tracerace, Worcestershire says...
3:20pm Thu 12 Jul 07
Well there's plenty of it outside:
Which is exactly where you will be along with all us smokers;
as eventually there will be no good old British Pubs left! YOU WILL HAVE HAD THEM ALL CLOSED DOWN!!
Then where will we all go???????????
Hitler took this view about smoking and everyone knows what a Tyrant he was!
Be Careful, very careful what you preach....Remember the old saying "what comes around goes around!"
Britsih people smokers or not fought wwar 2 for all of our liberties and freedom of choice.
Those very people, alot that are no longer here, would turn in there grave to realize, that their future generations, were going to hand all that they fought for, to a dictorial Goverment, on a plate.
REMEMBER WE'RE BRITISH, and as such the only fair way to go is...
FREEDOM OF CHOICE!
A concerned citizen
Richard, London says...
7:33pm Thu 12 Jul 07
Richard, London says...
7:33pm Thu 12 Jul 07
Richard, London says...
7:33pm Thu 12 Jul 07
Richard, London says...
7:33pm Thu 12 Jul 07
Non-Smoker, Blackpool says...
10:54pm Thu 12 Jul 07
Non-Smoker, Blackpool says...
10:54pm Thu 12 Jul 07
Non-Smoker, Blackpool says...
10:54pm Thu 12 Jul 07
Non-Smoker, Blackpool says...
10:54pm Thu 12 Jul 07
Li Bromfield, Midlands says...
3:36pm Fri 13 Jul 07
I love that the government claims that 80% of the public support it... Do they? Who asked? When were we asked? I never saw a vote, a form, a petition.. anything! Am I not a member of the public? If indeed this 80% figure has any basis in fact, it likely only means that 80% of the 100% of usual neighbourhood watch snoops, Hiacinth Bouquet types and anti-tolerance brigade are in support of it. Because it certainly isn't 80% of the population. Why can't there by licence applications for smoking premises like there are for alcohol consumption? That way, licenses could be given based on how many smoking VS non-smoking pubs/clubs there are currently in the area. Why not give people a choice? Did the UK turn into Nazi Germany or America when I wasn't looking? My god people, (anti-smokers included), it's our RIGHTS that are at stake here, not whether we smoke or not. If laws like this are ever allowed to go through then worse will follow... That's how Hitler got in power in the first place.
Li Bromfield, Midlands says...
3:36pm Fri 13 Jul 07
I love that the government claims that 80% of the public support it... Do they? Who asked? When were we asked? I never saw a vote, a form, a petition.. anything! Am I not a member of the public? If indeed this 80% figure has any basis in fact, it likely only means that 80% of the 100% of usual neighbourhood watch snoops, Hiacinth Bouquet types and anti-tolerance brigade are in support of it. Because it certainly isn't 80% of the population. Why can't there by licence applications for smoking premises like there are for alcohol consumption? That way, licenses could be given based on how many smoking VS non-smoking pubs/clubs there are currently in the area. Why not give people a choice? Did the UK turn into Nazi Germany or America when I wasn't looking? My god people, (anti-smokers included), it's our RIGHTS that are at stake here, not whether we smoke or not. If laws like this are ever allowed to go through then worse will follow... That's how Hitler got in power in the first place.
Li Bromfield, Midlands says...
3:36pm Fri 13 Jul 07
I love that the government claims that 80% of the public support it... Do they? Who asked? When were we asked? I never saw a vote, a form, a petition.. anything! Am I not a member of the public? If indeed this 80% figure has any basis in fact, it likely only means that 80% of the 100% of usual neighbourhood watch snoops, Hiacinth Bouquet types and anti-tolerance brigade are in support of it. Because it certainly isn't 80% of the population. Why can't there by licence applications for smoking premises like there are for alcohol consumption? That way, licenses could be given based on how many smoking VS non-smoking pubs/clubs there are currently in the area. Why not give people a choice? Did the UK turn into Nazi Germany or America when I wasn't looking? My god people, (anti-smokers included), it's our RIGHTS that are at stake here, not whether we smoke or not. If laws like this are ever allowed to go through then worse will follow... That's how Hitler got in power in the first place.
Li Bromfield, Midlands says...
3:36pm Fri 13 Jul 07
I love that the government claims that 80% of the public support it... Do they? Who asked? When were we asked? I never saw a vote, a form, a petition.. anything! Am I not a member of the public? If indeed this 80% figure has any basis in fact, it likely only means that 80% of the 100% of usual neighbourhood watch snoops, Hiacinth Bouquet types and anti-tolerance brigade are in support of it. Because it certainly isn't 80% of the population. Why can't there by licence applications for smoking premises like there are for alcohol consumption? That way, licenses could be given based on how many smoking VS non-smoking pubs/clubs there are currently in the area. Why not give people a choice? Did the UK turn into Nazi Germany or America when I wasn't looking? My god people, (anti-smokers included), it's our RIGHTS that are at stake here, not whether we smoke or not. If laws like this are ever allowed to go through then worse will follow... That's how Hitler got in power in the first place.
CJ, Blackpool says...
5:49pm Fri 13 Jul 07
CJ, Blackpool says...
5:49pm Fri 13 Jul 07
CJ, Blackpool says...
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CJ, Blackpool says...
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CJ, Blackpool says...
12:58am Sun 15 Jul 07
CJ, Blackpool says...
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R.Hurst, Surrey says...
3:15pm Sun 15 Jul 07
R.Hurst, Surrey says...
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E F John, wales says...
7:58pm Mon 16 Jul 07
anyone over the age of 25 yrs in this country who smoke are government encouraged smokers. for past governments allowed adverts for tobacco to be glamorised which made smoking seem to be the 'in" thing to do.
millions tried it millions did not like it, millions did and became addicts to nicotine. these millions who did pay taxes on their addiction and still do, to the tune of 6.5 billion pounds per year collectively.
now this new law of no smoking in public places has come into force a law that i agree with up to a point. that point is we who smoke cannot enjoy our social life like we used to.
games at pubs & clubs darts pool snooker dominoes all these are difficult to enjoy, and also we who smoke no matter what age must go outside to smoke, never mind what the weather is like.
my wife and i are in our seventies, this law has made us house bound. for the club we used has two flights of stairs to the entertainment room and therefore makes it impossible for us to enjoy our club anymore.
and in my opinion the law is illegal for the government has not allowed or subsidised clubs or pubs to alter the premises to cater for smokers. nor have they halved the taxes on tobacco but they wrecked our social lives. even though they encouraged our addiction this law was not given much thought.
as for smoking causing cancer. cancer is a gene which is in every human being its when the gene decides to go its own way our trouble starts.
people died in this country of cancer before sir walter raleigh introduced tobacco, more toxins are in the air we breathe from cars lorries aeroplanes etc. which pump these toxins out 24 7
and also young ladies who smoke are in more danger now of having their drink drugged while outside having a cigarette. than ever before
E John (wales)
E F John, wales says...
7:58pm Mon 16 Jul 07
anyone over the age of 25 yrs in this country who smoke are government encouraged smokers. for past governments allowed adverts for tobacco to be glamorised which made smoking seem to be the 'in" thing to do.
millions tried it millions did not like it, millions did and became addicts to nicotine. these millions who did pay taxes on their addiction and still do, to the tune of 6.5 billion pounds per year collectively.
now this new law of no smoking in public places has come into force a law that i agree with up to a point. that point is we who smoke cannot enjoy our social life like we used to.
games at pubs & clubs darts pool snooker dominoes all these are difficult to enjoy, and also we who smoke no matter what age must go outside to smoke, never mind what the weather is like.
my wife and i are in our seventies, this law has made us house bound. for the club we used has two flights of stairs to the entertainment room and therefore makes it impossible for us to enjoy our club anymore.
and in my opinion the law is illegal for the government has not allowed or subsidised clubs or pubs to alter the premises to cater for smokers. nor have they halved the taxes on tobacco but they wrecked our social lives. even though they encouraged our addiction this law was not given much thought.
as for smoking causing cancer. cancer is a gene which is in every human being its when the gene decides to go its own way our trouble starts.
people died in this country of cancer before sir walter raleigh introduced tobacco, more toxins are in the air we breathe from cars lorries aeroplanes etc. which pump these toxins out 24 7
and also young ladies who smoke are in more danger now of having their drink drugged while outside having a cigarette. than ever before
E John (wales)
E F John, wales says...
7:58pm Mon 16 Jul 07
anyone over the age of 25 yrs in this country who smoke are government encouraged smokers. for past governments allowed adverts for tobacco to be glamorised which made smoking seem to be the 'in" thing to do.
millions tried it millions did not like it, millions did and became addicts to nicotine. these millions who did pay taxes on their addiction and still do, to the tune of 6.5 billion pounds per year collectively.
now this new law of no smoking in public places has come into force a law that i agree with up to a point. that point is we who smoke cannot enjoy our social life like we used to.
games at pubs & clubs darts pool snooker dominoes all these are difficult to enjoy, and also we who smoke no matter what age must go outside to smoke, never mind what the weather is like.
my wife and i are in our seventies, this law has made us house bound. for the club we used has two flights of stairs to the entertainment room and therefore makes it impossible for us to enjoy our club anymore.
and in my opinion the law is illegal for the government has not allowed or subsidised clubs or pubs to alter the premises to cater for smokers. nor have they halved the taxes on tobacco but they wrecked our social lives. even though they encouraged our addiction this law was not given much thought.
as for smoking causing cancer. cancer is a gene which is in every human being its when the gene decides to go its own way our trouble starts.
people died in this country of cancer before sir walter raleigh introduced tobacco, more toxins are in the air we breathe from cars lorries aeroplanes etc. which pump these toxins out 24 7
and also young ladies who smoke are in more danger now of having their drink drugged while outside having a cigarette. than ever before
E John (wales)
E F John, wales says...
7:58pm Mon 16 Jul 07
anyone over the age of 25 yrs in this country who smoke are government encouraged smokers. for past governments allowed adverts for tobacco to be glamorised which made smoking seem to be the 'in" thing to do.
millions tried it millions did not like it, millions did and became addicts to nicotine. these millions who did pay taxes on their addiction and still do, to the tune of 6.5 billion pounds per year collectively.
now this new law of no smoking in public places has come into force a law that i agree with up to a point. that point is we who smoke cannot enjoy our social life like we used to.
games at pubs & clubs darts pool snooker dominoes all these are difficult to enjoy, and also we who smoke no matter what age must go outside to smoke, never mind what the weather is like.
my wife and i are in our seventies, this law has made us house bound. for the club we used has two flights of stairs to the entertainment room and therefore makes it impossible for us to enjoy our club anymore.
and in my opinion the law is illegal for the government has not allowed or subsidised clubs or pubs to alter the premises to cater for smokers. nor have they halved the taxes on tobacco but they wrecked our social lives. even though they encouraged our addiction this law was not given much thought.
as for smoking causing cancer. cancer is a gene which is in every human being its when the gene decides to go its own way our trouble starts.
people died in this country of cancer before sir walter raleigh introduced tobacco, more toxins are in the air we breathe from cars lorries aeroplanes etc. which pump these toxins out 24 7
and also young ladies who smoke are in more danger now of having their drink drugged while outside having a cigarette. than ever before
E John (wales)
Cueball, Surrey says...
3:31pm Tue 17 Jul 07
"There has been countless epidemiological evidence to prove (in simple terms for you arrogant smokers) that passive smoking is linked to illness. This is coming from true experts at reputable organisations like the BMA and BHF."
Which ones are they then, name me one, even if you believe the SCOTH report (which I don't) that you are 26% more likely to get lung cancer as a non smoker living with a smoker its still a load of Bol*%cks an Independent commission on tobacco effects placed the incidence of lung cancer at 10 per 100,000 people years for a non smoker living with a non smoker so a 26% rise in risk (if you believe the number) would equate to 12.6 per 100,000 people years. Hardly the overwhelming evidence needed for a total ban.
CJ wake up and smell the coffee and curtail your arrogance that you know it all, you are being spoon fed crap and you are not sophisticated enough to realise it.
Cueball, Surrey says...
3:31pm Tue 17 Jul 07
"There has been countless epidemiological evidence to prove (in simple terms for you arrogant smokers) that passive smoking is linked to illness. This is coming from true experts at reputable organisations like the BMA and BHF."
Which ones are they then, name me one, even if you believe the SCOTH report (which I don't) that you are 26% more likely to get lung cancer as a non smoker living with a smoker its still a load of Bol*%cks an Independent commission on tobacco effects placed the incidence of lung cancer at 10 per 100,000 people years for a non smoker living with a non smoker so a 26% rise in risk (if you believe the number) would equate to 12.6 per 100,000 people years. Hardly the overwhelming evidence needed for a total ban.
CJ wake up and smell the coffee and curtail your arrogance that you know it all, you are being spoon fed crap and you are not sophisticated enough to realise it.
Cueball, Surrey says...
3:31pm Tue 17 Jul 07
"There has been countless epidemiological evidence to prove (in simple terms for you arrogant smokers) that passive smoking is linked to illness. This is coming from true experts at reputable organisations like the BMA and BHF."
Which ones are they then, name me one, even if you believe the SCOTH report (which I don't) that you are 26% more likely to get lung cancer as a non smoker living with a smoker its still a load of Bol*%cks an Independent commission on tobacco effects placed the incidence of lung cancer at 10 per 100,000 people years for a non smoker living with a non smoker so a 26% rise in risk (if you believe the number) would equate to 12.6 per 100,000 people years. Hardly the overwhelming evidence needed for a total ban.
CJ wake up and smell the coffee and curtail your arrogance that you know it all, you are being spoon fed crap and you are not sophisticated enough to realise it.
Cueball, Surrey says...
3:31pm Tue 17 Jul 07
"There has been countless epidemiological evidence to prove (in simple terms for you arrogant smokers) that passive smoking is linked to illness. This is coming from true experts at reputable organisations like the BMA and BHF."
Which ones are they then, name me one, even if you believe the SCOTH report (which I don't) that you are 26% more likely to get lung cancer as a non smoker living with a smoker its still a load of Bol*%cks an Independent commission on tobacco effects placed the incidence of lung cancer at 10 per 100,000 people years for a non smoker living with a non smoker so a 26% rise in risk (if you believe the number) would equate to 12.6 per 100,000 people years. Hardly the overwhelming evidence needed for a total ban.
CJ wake up and smell the coffee and curtail your arrogance that you know it all, you are being spoon fed crap and you are not sophisticated enough to realise it.
Alan, Birmingham says...
4:13pm Tue 17 Jul 07
quotewith todays problems with the country mostly caused by goverment money making schemes.whats the problem with having a smoke in pubs and restaurants.if the owner does not mind why should anybody. theres always the choice for the owner to make them smoke free then we can all choose where to go.one more law to destroy what once was GTBritain
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Alan, Birmingham says...
4:13pm Tue 17 Jul 07
quotewith todays problems with the country mostly caused by goverment money making schemes.whats the problem with having a smoke in pubs and restaurants.if the owner does not mind why should anybody. theres always the choice for the owner to make them smoke free then we can all choose where to go.one more law to destroy what once was GTBritain
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Alan, Birmingham says...
4:13pm Tue 17 Jul 07
quotewith todays problems with the country mostly caused by goverment money making schemes.whats the problem with having a smoke in pubs and restaurants.if the owner does not mind why should anybody. theres always the choice for the owner to make them smoke free then we can all choose where to go.one more law to destroy what once was GTBritain
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Alan, Birmingham says...
4:13pm Tue 17 Jul 07
quotewith todays problems with the country mostly caused by goverment money making schemes.whats the problem with having a smoke in pubs and restaurants.if the owner does not mind why should anybody. theres always the choice for the owner to make them smoke free then we can all choose where to go.one more law to destroy what once was GTBritain
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Tschicki, Vienna, Austria says...
11:15pm Tue 17 Jul 07
If everybody did... how could they spy and catch millions with their 1200 smoke police ?
Well we are watching from abroad... and support you as much as we can.
go on. hold on. We'll help.
Tschicki
raucherbewegung.eu
Tschicki, Vienna, Austria says...
11:15pm Tue 17 Jul 07
If everybody did... how could they spy and catch millions with their 1200 smoke police ?
Well we are watching from abroad... and support you as much as we can.
go on. hold on. We'll help.
Tschicki
raucherbewegung.eu
Tschicki, Vienna, Austria says...
11:15pm Tue 17 Jul 07
If everybody did... how could they spy and catch millions with their 1200 smoke police ?
Well we are watching from abroad... and support you as much as we can.
go on. hold on. We'll help.
Tschicki
raucherbewegung.eu
Tschicki, Vienna, Austria says...
11:15pm Tue 17 Jul 07
If everybody did... how could they spy and catch millions with their 1200 smoke police ?
Well we are watching from abroad... and support you as much as we can.
go on. hold on. We'll help.
Tschicki
raucherbewegung.eu
Dave Evans, Co.Durham says...
8:15am Fri 20 Jul 07
In my local community we have had pubs "go it alone" in enforcing smoking bans. If support for this draconian measure was as strong as you suggest, they would not have had to recant and allow smoking again. I am all for clean areas for non-smokers, that is your right, but if a landlord wants to allow smoking in areas of his property, that is his right too. Well done Hamish. The ban isn't flouted here, just not rigidly enforced, no-one has the courage to come right out & say UP YOURS to the government. I would suggest that the attitude of the anti-banners is much less intransigent that the ban itself. To call it fascist is entirely accurate, just remember who the father of smoking bans is, and the lies told to get it passed as law.
Fatty foods are next on the agenda, then alcohol, then whatever you might consider to be pleasurable. Once the health fascists have a taste for it, there will be no stopping them.
Dave Evans, Co.Durham says...
8:15am Fri 20 Jul 07
In my local community we have had pubs "go it alone" in enforcing smoking bans. If support for this draconian measure was as strong as you suggest, they would not have had to recant and allow smoking again. I am all for clean areas for non-smokers, that is your right, but if a landlord wants to allow smoking in areas of his property, that is his right too. Well done Hamish. The ban isn't flouted here, just not rigidly enforced, no-one has the courage to come right out & say UP YOURS to the government. I would suggest that the attitude of the anti-banners is much less intransigent that the ban itself. To call it fascist is entirely accurate, just remember who the father of smoking bans is, and the lies told to get it passed as law.
Fatty foods are next on the agenda, then alcohol, then whatever you might consider to be pleasurable. Once the health fascists have a taste for it, there will be no stopping them.
Dave Evans, Co.Durham says...
8:15am Fri 20 Jul 07
In my local community we have had pubs "go it alone" in enforcing smoking bans. If support for this draconian measure was as strong as you suggest, they would not have had to recant and allow smoking again. I am all for clean areas for non-smokers, that is your right, but if a landlord wants to allow smoking in areas of his property, that is his right too. Well done Hamish. The ban isn't flouted here, just not rigidly enforced, no-one has the courage to come right out & say UP YOURS to the government. I would suggest that the attitude of the anti-banners is much less intransigent that the ban itself. To call it fascist is entirely accurate, just remember who the father of smoking bans is, and the lies told to get it passed as law.
Fatty foods are next on the agenda, then alcohol, then whatever you might consider to be pleasurable. Once the health fascists have a taste for it, there will be no stopping them.
Dave Evans, Co.Durham says...
8:15am Fri 20 Jul 07
In my local community we have had pubs "go it alone" in enforcing smoking bans. If support for this draconian measure was as strong as you suggest, they would not have had to recant and allow smoking again. I am all for clean areas for non-smokers, that is your right, but if a landlord wants to allow smoking in areas of his property, that is his right too. Well done Hamish. The ban isn't flouted here, just not rigidly enforced, no-one has the courage to come right out & say UP YOURS to the government. I would suggest that the attitude of the anti-banners is much less intransigent that the ban itself. To call it fascist is entirely accurate, just remember who the father of smoking bans is, and the lies told to get it passed as law.
Fatty foods are next on the agenda, then alcohol, then whatever you might consider to be pleasurable. Once the health fascists have a taste for it, there will be no stopping them.
Dave Evans, Co.Durham says...
8:38am Fri 20 Jul 07
CJ wrote:I suggest you learn a little about statistics & read past the headlines. NOT ONE epidemiological study has actually shown ETS to be harmful, even though the political spin says it does. The W.H.O. study had only ONE statistically significant result that showed that non-smokers brought up by smokers appeared to have some protection against lung cancer. If you actually look at the BMA & BHF statements, they do nothing to back up their statements, for that is all they are, statements of opinion with no research to back them up. After all, all the research is against the statements, so they can't use that!!!
For the record I don't work for ASH but I certainly support their cause. I just hate smoking and I am not narrow-minded or stupid as you abusive petty smokers keep saying. There has been countless epidemilogical evidence to prove (in simple terms for you arrogant smokers) that passive smoking is linked to illness. This is coming from true experts at reputable organisations like the BMA and BHF. There are NO benefits of smoking, and most of all it tastes and smells disgusting. You must be low to sink to using insults and abuse towards someone who is just expressing an opinion, or is that too much for your narrow-mind.
Dave Evans, Co.Durham says...
8:38am Fri 20 Jul 07
CJ wrote:I suggest you learn a little about statistics & read past the headlines. NOT ONE epidemiological study has actually shown ETS to be harmful, even though the political spin says it does. The W.H.O. study had only ONE statistically significant result that showed that non-smokers brought up by smokers appeared to have some protection against lung cancer. If you actually look at the BMA & BHF statements, they do nothing to back up their statements, for that is all they are, statements of opinion with no research to back them up. After all, all the research is against the statements, so they can't use that!!!
For the record I don't work for ASH but I certainly support their cause. I just hate smoking and I am not narrow-minded or stupid as you abusive petty smokers keep saying. There has been countless epidemilogical evidence to prove (in simple terms for you arrogant smokers) that passive smoking is linked to illness. This is coming from true experts at reputable organisations like the BMA and BHF. There are NO benefits of smoking, and most of all it tastes and smells disgusting. You must be low to sink to using insults and abuse towards someone who is just expressing an opinion, or is that too much for your narrow-mind.
Dave Evans, Co.Durham says...
8:38am Fri 20 Jul 07
CJ wrote:I suggest you learn a little about statistics & read past the headlines. NOT ONE epidemiological study has actually shown ETS to be harmful, even though the political spin says it does. The W.H.O. study had only ONE statistically significant result that showed that non-smokers brought up by smokers appeared to have some protection against lung cancer. If you actually look at the BMA & BHF statements, they do nothing to back up their statements, for that is all they are, statements of opinion with no research to back them up. After all, all the research is against the statements, so they can't use that!!!
For the record I don't work for ASH but I certainly support their cause. I just hate smoking and I am not narrow-minded or stupid as you abusive petty smokers keep saying. There has been countless epidemilogical evidence to prove (in simple terms for you arrogant smokers) that passive smoking is linked to illness. This is coming from true experts at reputable organisations like the BMA and BHF. There are NO benefits of smoking, and most of all it tastes and smells disgusting. You must be low to sink to using insults and abuse towards someone who is just expressing an opinion, or is that too much for your narrow-mind.
Dave Evans, Co.Durham says...
8:38am Fri 20 Jul 07
CJ wrote:I suggest you learn a little about statistics & read past the headlines. NOT ONE epidemiological study has actually shown ETS to be harmful, even though the political spin says it does. The W.H.O. study had only ONE statistically significant result that showed that non-smokers brought up by smokers appeared to have some protection against lung cancer. If you actually look at the BMA & BHF statements, they do nothing to back up their statements, for that is all they are, statements of opinion with no research to back them up. After all, all the research is against the statements, so they can't use that!!!
For the record I don't work for ASH but I certainly support their cause. I just hate smoking and I am not narrow-minded or stupid as you abusive petty smokers keep saying. There has been countless epidemilogical evidence to prove (in simple terms for you arrogant smokers) that passive smoking is linked to illness. This is coming from true experts at reputable organisations like the BMA and BHF. There are NO benefits of smoking, and most of all it tastes and smells disgusting. You must be low to sink to using insults and abuse towards someone who is just expressing an opinion, or is that too much for your narrow-mind.
Dave Evans, Co. Durham says...
7:40pm Sat 21 Jul 07
Dave Evans, Co. Durham says...
7:40pm Sat 21 Jul 07
Dave Evans, Co. Durham says...
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Dave Evans, Co. Durham says...
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CJ, Blackpool says...
8:09pm Sat 21 Jul 07
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8:09pm Sat 21 Jul 07
Dave Evans, Co. Durham says...
7:59pm Sun 22 Jul 07
We actually do NOT rubbish the stats because they all say this.
"There is NO significant risk related to ETS"
Only ASH the WHO & other biassed parties rubbish the stats.
The WHO's own study which set out to prove a link between ETS & lung cancer proved no such thing.
Luckily we didn't have to rely on the misleading headline, (They said "It's official second hand smoke causes cancer"), the statistics hovever were honest & prove the headline to be at best mis-leading, at worst downright lies!!!
Dave Evans, Co. Durham says...
7:59pm Sun 22 Jul 07
We actually do NOT rubbish the stats because they all say this.
"There is NO significant risk related to ETS"
Only ASH the WHO & other biassed parties rubbish the stats.
The WHO's own study which set out to prove a link between ETS & lung cancer proved no such thing.
Luckily we didn't have to rely on the misleading headline, (They said "It's official second hand smoke causes cancer"), the statistics hovever were honest & prove the headline to be at best mis-leading, at worst downright lies!!!
Dave Evans, Co. Durham says...
7:59pm Sun 22 Jul 07
We actually do NOT rubbish the stats because they all say this.
"There is NO significant risk related to ETS"
Only ASH the WHO & other biassed parties rubbish the stats.
The WHO's own study which set out to prove a link between ETS & lung cancer proved no such thing.
Luckily we didn't have to rely on the misleading headline, (They said "It's official second hand smoke causes cancer"), the statistics hovever were honest & prove the headline to be at best mis-leading, at worst downright lies!!!
Dave Evans, Co. Durham says...
7:59pm Sun 22 Jul 07
We actually do NOT rubbish the stats because they all say this.
"There is NO significant risk related to ETS"
Only ASH the WHO & other biassed parties rubbish the stats.
The WHO's own study which set out to prove a link between ETS & lung cancer proved no such thing.
Luckily we didn't have to rely on the misleading headline, (They said "It's official second hand smoke causes cancer"), the statistics hovever were honest & prove the headline to be at best mis-leading, at worst downright lies!!!
sam harvey, durham says...
11:55pm Tue 24 Jul 07
sam harvey, durham says...
11:55pm Tue 24 Jul 07
sam harvey, durham says...
11:55pm Tue 24 Jul 07
sam harvey, durham says...
11:55pm Tue 24 Jul 07
sam harvey, durham says...
12:09am Wed 25 Jul 07
CJ wrote:why dont understand that as long as tobacco is sold in this cuntry and people like hamish (who may i add doesnt even smoke)have 2bars that he owns and wants one smoke free and and smoking that there shoudnt be a problem because if YOU dont like smoke then dont go to the bar in the first place. is that piece of advice easy enough for you to understand ?? dont go there then you wont have to waist your time writing letters . its easy my friend : smoking bars and none smoking bars, lets keep everyone happy.
A BBC survey in 2004 said that 67% support a total ban in all work/public places including 38% of smokers. Another from 2006 said 77& supported it and 53% of those strongly. I am an anti-smoker and I love going to the pub but I hate smokers. They make the room taste filthy and their disgusting smoke sets my asthma off. I think public health is more important than a smoker\'s \'right\' to have a fag. I feel the ban should be extended to outdoors as well which if the Chief Health Officer had his way it would. The ban is not impeding freedom of choice, you can smoke at home where noone else is at risk. Why can\'t you smokers just accept the majority want the ban in place, and it ain\'t going to change because of a few narrow-minded people like Hamish, I hope the Council shuts him down, as its an awful pub anyway
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sam harvey, durham says...
12:09am Wed 25 Jul 07
CJ wrote:why dont understand that as long as tobacco is sold in this cuntry and people like hamish (who may i add doesnt even smoke)have 2bars that he owns and wants one smoke free and and smoking that there shoudnt be a problem because if YOU dont like smoke then dont go to the bar in the first place. is that piece of advice easy enough for you to understand ?? dont go there then you wont have to waist your time writing letters . its easy my friend : smoking bars and none smoking bars, lets keep everyone happy.
A BBC survey in 2004 said that 67% support a total ban in all work/public places including 38% of smokers. Another from 2006 said 77& supported it and 53% of those strongly. I am an anti-smoker and I love going to the pub but I hate smokers. They make the room taste filthy and their disgusting smoke sets my asthma off. I think public health is more important than a smoker\'s \'right\' to have a fag. I feel the ban should be extended to outdoors as well which if the Chief Health Officer had his way it would. The ban is not impeding freedom of choice, you can smoke at home where noone else is at risk. Why can\'t you smokers just accept the majority want the ban in place, and it ain\'t going to change because of a few narrow-minded people like Hamish, I hope the Council shuts him down, as its an awful pub anyway
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sam harvey, durham says...
12:09am Wed 25 Jul 07
CJ wrote:why dont understand that as long as tobacco is sold in this cuntry and people like hamish (who may i add doesnt even smoke)have 2bars that he owns and wants one smoke free and and smoking that there shoudnt be a problem because if YOU dont like smoke then dont go to the bar in the first place. is that piece of advice easy enough for you to understand ?? dont go there then you wont have to waist your time writing letters . its easy my friend : smoking bars and none smoking bars, lets keep everyone happy.
A BBC survey in 2004 said that 67% support a total ban in all work/public places including 38% of smokers. Another from 2006 said 77& supported it and 53% of those strongly. I am an anti-smoker and I love going to the pub but I hate smokers. They make the room taste filthy and their disgusting smoke sets my asthma off. I think public health is more important than a smoker\'s \'right\' to have a fag. I feel the ban should be extended to outdoors as well which if the Chief Health Officer had his way it would. The ban is not impeding freedom of choice, you can smoke at home where noone else is at risk. Why can\'t you smokers just accept the majority want the ban in place, and it ain\'t going to change because of a few narrow-minded people like Hamish, I hope the Council shuts him down, as its an awful pub anyway
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sam harvey, durham says...
12:09am Wed 25 Jul 07
CJ wrote:why dont understand that as long as tobacco is sold in this cuntry and people like hamish (who may i add doesnt even smoke)have 2bars that he owns and wants one smoke free and and smoking that there shoudnt be a problem because if YOU dont like smoke then dont go to the bar in the first place. is that piece of advice easy enough for you to understand ?? dont go there then you wont have to waist your time writing letters . its easy my friend : smoking bars and none smoking bars, lets keep everyone happy.
A BBC survey in 2004 said that 67% support a total ban in all work/public places including 38% of smokers. Another from 2006 said 77& supported it and 53% of those strongly. I am an anti-smoker and I love going to the pub but I hate smokers. They make the room taste filthy and their disgusting smoke sets my asthma off. I think public health is more important than a smoker\'s \'right\' to have a fag. I feel the ban should be extended to outdoors as well which if the Chief Health Officer had his way it would. The ban is not impeding freedom of choice, you can smoke at home where noone else is at risk. Why can\'t you smokers just accept the majority want the ban in place, and it ain\'t going to change because of a few narrow-minded people like Hamish, I hope the Council shuts him down, as its an awful pub anyway
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maria, london says...
9:06am Tue 25 Sep 07
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Jackie, blackpool says...
5:41pm Mon 1 Oct 07
It's not a good example to be giving our children because they want to know why these old people are not dead due to smoking all their lives. Also many elderly people have stopped going out because of the ban and not all of them are smokers. If their smoking pals stay in they do as well. I'm not a pro-smoker, however, facilities should be made for these people to be able to have a cigarette with their pint.
As for ex-smokers they are like alcoholics, prohibition is the easy answer.
Jackie, blackpool says...
5:41pm Mon 1 Oct 07
It's not a good example to be giving our children because they want to know why these old people are not dead due to smoking all their lives. Also many elderly people have stopped going out because of the ban and not all of them are smokers. If their smoking pals stay in they do as well. I'm not a pro-smoker, however, facilities should be made for these people to be able to have a cigarette with their pint.
As for ex-smokers they are like alcoholics, prohibition is the easy answer.
Jackie, blackpool says...
5:41pm Mon 1 Oct 07
It's not a good example to be giving our children because they want to know why these old people are not dead due to smoking all their lives. Also many elderly people have stopped going out because of the ban and not all of them are smokers. If their smoking pals stay in they do as well. I'm not a pro-smoker, however, facilities should be made for these people to be able to have a cigarette with their pint.
As for ex-smokers they are like alcoholics, prohibition is the easy answer.
Jackie, blackpool says...
5:41pm Mon 1 Oct 07
It's not a good example to be giving our children because they want to know why these old people are not dead due to smoking all their lives. Also many elderly people have stopped going out because of the ban and not all of them are smokers. If their smoking pals stay in they do as well. I'm not a pro-smoker, however, facilities should be made for these people to be able to have a cigarette with their pint.
As for ex-smokers they are like alcoholics, prohibition is the easy answer.
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