Lancashire fire fighters on strike tonight

Blackpool Citizen: Bonfire danger warning as firefighters set to strike Bonfire danger warning as firefighters set to strike

LANCASHIRE fire fighters will strike today as part of an ongoing dispute over pensions.

1,100 members of the county’s Fire Brigade Union will walk out from 6.30 to 11pm.

Whilst FBU secretary Steve Harman said that they had been left with ‘no choice’ but to go on strike Burnley MP Gordon Birtwistle said that he thought striking on bonfire weekend was ‘unwarranted.’

Lancashire’s chief Fire Officer Chris Kenny said that residents should be ‘reassured’ that emergency cover will be maintained and that the majority of fire engines would be kept in use.

The union also plans to strike from 6pm to 8pm on November 4.

FBU members want the government to renegotiate its decision to increase firefighters’ retirement age from 55 to 60 and changes to pensions.

Mr Harman said: “We don’t want to strike but it has got to the point where we have tried everything else and it’s a last resort.

“There is cover that we have worked with the fire service to provide cover because we don’t want the strike to endanger anyone’s safety.”

Chief Fire Officer Chris Kenny said:“The public can be reassured that the service plans to keep the majority of fire engines in Lancashire operational during the dispute period.

“We would urge all members of the public to be aware that for minor fires in particular, there may be a longer wait for a fire engine.”

Mr Birtwistle said: ““I think that doing this on bonfire night is unwarranted.”

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9:52am Fri 1 Nov 13

HarryBosch says...

When firefighters embarked on their careers, they did so in the knowledge that they would retire at age 55. Accordingly, they signed up to an Occupational Pension scheme recognising that retirement age. By extending the retirement age the government are, in my opinion, breaching the firefighters contract. Not only that but they are putting members of the public at risk by expecting firefighters to work those extra five years when they may not be fit enough to carry out the tasks expected of them. If they could guarantee that there would be some other role that they could fulfil until the new retirement age then I don't think the firefighters would have as strong a case. But they can't. Consequently, firefighters are at risk of being sacked through no fault of their own. That is plainly wrong. The government refuse to recognise this and refuse to renegotiate with them, therefore I believe they are left with no choice but to take industrial action. The government also need to understand that by expecting older firefighters to go into risky situations when they may not be fit enough to do so then they are not only putting firefighters lives at risk but they are putting the lives of the public at risk.
I support the firefighters in this issue and I suggest that everyone should take the same stance.
When firefighters embarked on their careers, they did so in the knowledge that they would retire at age 55. Accordingly, they signed up to an Occupational Pension scheme recognising that retirement age. By extending the retirement age the government are, in my opinion, breaching the firefighters contract. Not only that but they are putting members of the public at risk by expecting firefighters to work those extra five years when they may not be fit enough to carry out the tasks expected of them. If they could guarantee that there would be some other role that they could fulfil until the new retirement age then I don't think the firefighters would have as strong a case. But they can't. Consequently, firefighters are at risk of being sacked through no fault of their own. That is plainly wrong. The government refuse to recognise this and refuse to renegotiate with them, therefore I believe they are left with no choice but to take industrial action. The government also need to understand that by expecting older firefighters to go into risky situations when they may not be fit enough to do so then they are not only putting firefighters lives at risk but they are putting the lives of the public at risk. I support the firefighters in this issue and I suggest that everyone should take the same stance. HarryBosch

10:25am Fri 1 Nov 13

craggy says...

I would have more sympathy if more firefighters didn't retire at 55, take their pensions and then immediately start working for the service in a different role.

These types of actions will always only get limited sympathy from people in the private sector. Like it or not, many public sector workers receive massive benefits and perks compared to everyone else.
Does that make it right when they have the rug pulled from under them? No, just don't expect those in worse positions to rally to the call!
I would have more sympathy if more firefighters didn't retire at 55, take their pensions and then immediately start working for the service in a different role. These types of actions will always only get limited sympathy from people in the private sector. Like it or not, many public sector workers receive massive benefits and perks compared to everyone else. Does that make it right when they have the rug pulled from under them? No, just don't expect those in worse positions to rally to the call! craggy

11:06am Fri 1 Nov 13

Whydidtheybanme? says...

Very little sympathy from me here I'm afraid. All Firemen I know have a 2nd income (usually Building / Decorating / Gardening / Plumbing / Electricians etc.) and work "cash in hand". They've had it cushy for years and know how to play the system.
There have been suggestions to double up their skills as Paramedics, however this has always been strongly rejected - god knows why? Probably because they'd have more callouts, which would interupt their sleep patterns, so they couldn't fulfill that 2nd job.
Let's also look at the timing of the strike - Bonfire / Halloween weekend. Disgusting. It's practically inviting a preventable tragedy.
Very little sympathy from me here I'm afraid. All Firemen I know have a 2nd income (usually Building / Decorating / Gardening / Plumbing / Electricians etc.) and work "cash in hand". They've had it cushy for years and know how to play the system. There have been suggestions to double up their skills as Paramedics, however this has always been strongly rejected - god knows why? Probably because they'd have more callouts, which would interupt their sleep patterns, so they couldn't fulfill that 2nd job. Let's also look at the timing of the strike - Bonfire / Halloween weekend. Disgusting. It's practically inviting a preventable tragedy. Whydidtheybanme?

11:58am Fri 1 Nov 13

buckoff says...

If someone dies due to there own greed I hope they sleep well at night with blood on their hands. They are not fit to wear the uniform striking on one of the busiest weekends are the year. They will lose the respect of the public because of this!!!
If someone dies due to there own greed I hope they sleep well at night with blood on their hands. They are not fit to wear the uniform striking on one of the busiest weekends are the year. They will lose the respect of the public because of this!!! buckoff

12:05pm Fri 1 Nov 13

midas says...

54 year and 364 days = fit enough to do the job, a day later and they aren't? Fitness tests would determine who is and who isn't fit enough.
54 year and 364 days = fit enough to do the job, a day later and they aren't? Fitness tests would determine who is and who isn't fit enough. midas

1:20pm Fri 1 Nov 13

Rich Riley says...

So they're striking tonight but the fire service have reassured the public that they plan to 'keep the majority of fire engines in Lancashire operational'. Why all the fuss then? And why are we bothered that a few firemen and women are prepared to stand outside in the rain trying to drum up public support? Its a waste of time, you have very little sympathy and should be thankful that you are in employment. How about this, if you don't like what the job has become step aside and let others who are prepared to work an extra few years take your place. Its not rocket science.
So they're striking tonight but the fire service have reassured the public that they plan to 'keep the majority of fire engines in Lancashire operational'. Why all the fuss then? And why are we bothered that a few firemen and women are prepared to stand outside in the rain trying to drum up public support? Its a waste of time, you have very little sympathy and should be thankful that you are in employment. How about this, if you don't like what the job has become step aside and let others who are prepared to work an extra few years take your place. Its not rocket science. Rich Riley

1:51pm Fri 1 Nov 13

Kendal Jock says...

Whydidtheybanme? wrote:
Very little sympathy from me here I'm afraid. All Firemen I know have a 2nd income (usually Building / Decorating / Gardening / Plumbing / Electricians etc.) and work "cash in hand". They've had it cushy for years and know how to play the system.
There have been suggestions to double up their skills as Paramedics, however this has always been strongly rejected - god knows why? Probably because they'd have more callouts, which would interupt their sleep patterns, so they couldn't fulfill that 2nd job.
Let's also look at the timing of the strike - Bonfire / Halloween weekend. Disgusting. It's practically inviting a preventable tragedy.
Some years ago, I worked on the same private residence as a fireman. On his days off he'd garden and decorate for cash clients. I thought he did, not too bad a job at the grass cutting etc and said so. He told me I could take over as he was packing up for a more lucrative job nearer home. He told me,
he could easily make £300-350 per week on his days off. That was a lot more than I managed, and, I was putting in 44 hours, paid by cheque. Like police and other public sector staff, they have no qualms in working on the QT off duty, but shirking on duty. I hasten to add, I'm not tarring them all with the same brush. Shameless to strike on Halloween.
[quote][p][bold]Whydidtheybanme?[/bold] wrote: Very little sympathy from me here I'm afraid. All Firemen I know have a 2nd income (usually Building / Decorating / Gardening / Plumbing / Electricians etc.) and work "cash in hand". They've had it cushy for years and know how to play the system. There have been suggestions to double up their skills as Paramedics, however this has always been strongly rejected - god knows why? Probably because they'd have more callouts, which would interupt their sleep patterns, so they couldn't fulfill that 2nd job. Let's also look at the timing of the strike - Bonfire / Halloween weekend. Disgusting. It's practically inviting a preventable tragedy.[/p][/quote]Some years ago, I worked on the same private residence as a fireman. On his days off he'd garden and decorate for cash clients. I thought he did, not too bad a job at the grass cutting etc and said so. He told me I could take over as he was packing up for a more lucrative job nearer home. He told me, he could easily make £300-350 per week on his days off. That was a lot more than I managed, and, I was putting in 44 hours, paid by cheque. Like police and other public sector staff, they have no qualms in working on the QT off duty, but shirking on duty. I hasten to add, I'm not tarring them all with the same brush. Shameless to strike on Halloween. Kendal Jock

2:03pm Fri 1 Nov 13

2 for 5p says...

Whydidtheybanme? wrote:
Very little sympathy from me here I'm afraid. All Firemen I know have a 2nd income (usually Building / Decorating / Gardening / Plumbing / Electricians etc.) and work "cash in hand". They've had it cushy for years and know how to play the system.
There have been suggestions to double up their skills as Paramedics, however this has always been strongly rejected - god knows why? Probably because they'd have more callouts, which would interupt their sleep patterns, so they couldn't fulfill that 2nd job.
Let's also look at the timing of the strike - Bonfire / Halloween weekend. Disgusting. It's practically inviting a preventable tragedy.
Seconded
[quote][p][bold]Whydidtheybanme?[/bold] wrote: Very little sympathy from me here I'm afraid. All Firemen I know have a 2nd income (usually Building / Decorating / Gardening / Plumbing / Electricians etc.) and work "cash in hand". They've had it cushy for years and know how to play the system. There have been suggestions to double up their skills as Paramedics, however this has always been strongly rejected - god knows why? Probably because they'd have more callouts, which would interupt their sleep patterns, so they couldn't fulfill that 2nd job. Let's also look at the timing of the strike - Bonfire / Halloween weekend. Disgusting. It's practically inviting a preventable tragedy.[/p][/quote]Seconded 2 for 5p

2:38pm Fri 1 Nov 13

Casper's mum says...

Whydidtheybanme? Perhaps they're striking at one of their busiest times of the year for greater effect and to cause more disruption. Just like teachers strike during the week and not at the weekend or during term time. Think about it!
Whydidtheybanme? Perhaps they're striking at one of their busiest times of the year for greater effect and to cause more disruption. Just like teachers strike during the week and not at the weekend or during term time. Think about it! Casper's mum

2:57pm Fri 1 Nov 13

floydbrfc says...

Casper's mum wrote:
Whydidtheybanme? Perhaps they're striking at one of their busiest times of the year for greater effect and to cause more disruption. Just like teachers strike during the week and not at the weekend or during term time. Think about it!
perhaps they are striking now because after two years of negotiations the government is still refusing to accept its own evidence that ffs could be sacked on capability through simply going through the ageing process ,they could have gone on strike at any time in the last two years and had a greater impact such as during the jubilee celebrations or the Olympic games .Think about it !
[quote][p][bold]Casper's mum[/bold] wrote: Whydidtheybanme? Perhaps they're striking at one of their busiest times of the year for greater effect and to cause more disruption. Just like teachers strike during the week and not at the weekend or during term time. Think about it![/p][/quote]perhaps they are striking now because after two years of negotiations the government is still refusing to accept its own evidence that ffs could be sacked on capability through simply going through the ageing process ,they could have gone on strike at any time in the last two years and had a greater impact such as during the jubilee celebrations or the Olympic games .Think about it ! floydbrfc

3:41pm Fri 1 Nov 13

Rich Riley says...

Casper's mum wrote:
Whydidtheybanme? Perhaps they're striking at one of their busiest times of the year for greater effect and to cause more disruption. Just like teachers strike during the week and not at the weekend or during term time. Think about it!
So if this strike passes without any disruption then we can safely say that we have too many firefighters. Agree? Sack the lot of them and recruit people who are prepared to put the effort in.
[quote][p][bold]Casper's mum[/bold] wrote: Whydidtheybanme? Perhaps they're striking at one of their busiest times of the year for greater effect and to cause more disruption. Just like teachers strike during the week and not at the weekend or during term time. Think about it![/p][/quote]So if this strike passes without any disruption then we can safely say that we have too many firefighters. Agree? Sack the lot of them and recruit people who are prepared to put the effort in. Rich Riley

3:57pm Fri 1 Nov 13

Whydidtheybanme? says...

Casper's mum wrote:
Whydidtheybanme? Perhaps they're striking at one of their busiest times of the year for greater effect and to cause more disruption. Just like teachers strike during the week and not at the weekend or during term time. Think about it!
Obviously they are - my personal belief is they shouldn't be allowed to strike, just as the Police and Armed Forces aren't.

The fact that they have chosen this weekend I believe strengthens this argument.
[quote][p][bold]Casper's mum[/bold] wrote: Whydidtheybanme? Perhaps they're striking at one of their busiest times of the year for greater effect and to cause more disruption. Just like teachers strike during the week and not at the weekend or during term time. Think about it![/p][/quote]Obviously they are - my personal belief is they shouldn't be allowed to strike, just as the Police and Armed Forces aren't. The fact that they have chosen this weekend I believe strengthens this argument. Whydidtheybanme?

4:10pm Fri 1 Nov 13

hasnado33 says...

They say they will be sacked if not fit for the work. They have been retiring on ill helth for years and doing very well thank you. I worked with someone who said my husband a fireman will retire on ill health. She stated it was to lucrative not to.Just like the teachers me me me and nevermind anyone else
They say they will be sacked if not fit for the work. They have been retiring on ill helth for years and doing very well thank you. I worked with someone who said my husband a fireman will retire on ill health. She stated it was to lucrative not to.Just like the teachers me me me and nevermind anyone else hasnado33

5:27pm Fri 1 Nov 13

Sogden says...

hasnado33 wrote:
They say they will be sacked if not fit for the work. They have been retiring on ill helth for years and doing very well thank you. I worked with someone who said my husband a fireman will retire on ill health. She stated it was to lucrative not to.Just like the teachers me me me and nevermind anyone else
Have you heard yourself numbnuts? I had a friend who had a friend and he told their cousin that he had a mate who once was a cousin if a friend who knew a fireman coz he said hi once whilst waiting for a bus and he told me the deepest darkest secrets of the "brotherhood" where all the firemen secretly retire on ill health and find the key to the big bullion storage cupboard. Don't talk wet you goon, do an FOI request and see how many ill health retirees there has been in the last 5 years, it will be less than 1. Idiot
[quote][p][bold]hasnado33[/bold] wrote: They say they will be sacked if not fit for the work. They have been retiring on ill helth for years and doing very well thank you. I worked with someone who said my husband a fireman will retire on ill health. She stated it was to lucrative not to.Just like the teachers me me me and nevermind anyone else[/p][/quote]Have you heard yourself numbnuts? I had a friend who had a friend and he told their cousin that he had a mate who once was a cousin if a friend who knew a fireman coz he said hi once whilst waiting for a bus and he told me the deepest darkest secrets of the "brotherhood" where all the firemen secretly retire on ill health and find the key to the big bullion storage cupboard. Don't talk wet you goon, do an FOI request and see how many ill health retirees there has been in the last 5 years, it will be less than 1. Idiot Sogden

5:29pm Fri 1 Nov 13

Sogden says...

buckoff wrote:
If someone dies due to there own greed I hope they sleep well at night with blood on their hands. They are not fit to wear the uniform striking on one of the busiest weekends are the year. They will lose the respect of the public because of this!!!
Sorry is this about financial gain? Greed? Read the facts first!
[quote][p][bold]buckoff[/bold] wrote: If someone dies due to there own greed I hope they sleep well at night with blood on their hands. They are not fit to wear the uniform striking on one of the busiest weekends are the year. They will lose the respect of the public because of this!!![/p][/quote]Sorry is this about financial gain? Greed? Read the facts first! Sogden

5:31pm Fri 1 Nov 13

phil kernot says...

What I thinks wrong
1. Striking at when there needed the most .
2. Public sector workers always think about me me like split brats
3. Thay should retire at 55 due to not having the fitness as when thay was 25

Just a matter of time before the public sector had to compete against the private sector and about time too , I'm self employed but don't winge about health problems , I just get on with it some people think isa free meal ticket for life , well its not I'm sorry :)
What I thinks wrong 1. Striking at when there needed the most . 2. Public sector workers always think about me me like split brats 3. Thay should retire at 55 due to not having the fitness as when thay was 25 Just a matter of time before the public sector had to compete against the private sector and about time too , I'm self employed but don't winge about health problems , I just get on with it some people think isa free meal ticket for life , well its not I'm sorry :) phil kernot

5:34pm Fri 1 Nov 13

Lifethroughatintedlense says...

Why have comments about crooked,learned ethnic majority solicitor been pulled?mmmmmm!......
apologies this comment doesn't relate to the firefighters dispute......just thought I'd ask the question!
Why have comments about crooked,learned ethnic majority solicitor been pulled?mmmmmm!...... apologies this comment doesn't relate to the firefighters dispute......just thought I'd ask the question! Lifethroughatintedlense

5:35pm Fri 1 Nov 13

phil kernot says...

Sogden wrote:
hasnado33 wrote:
They say they will be sacked if not fit for the work. They have been retiring on ill helth for years and doing very well thank you. I worked with someone who said my husband a fireman will retire on ill health. She stated it was to lucrative not to.Just like the teachers me me me and nevermind anyone else
Have you heard yourself numbnuts? I had a friend who had a friend and he told their cousin that he had a mate who once was a cousin if a friend who knew a fireman coz he said hi once whilst waiting for a bus and he told me the deepest darkest secrets of the "brotherhood" where all the firemen secretly retire on ill health and find the key to the big bullion storage cupboard. Don't talk wet you goon, do an FOI request and see how many ill health retirees there has been in the last 5 years, it will be less than 1. Idiot
What I thinks wrong
1. Striking at when there needed the most .
2. Public sector workers always think about me me like split brats
3. Thay should retire at 55 due to not having the fitness as when thay was 25

Just a matter of time before the public sector had to compete against the private sector and about time too , I'm self employed but don't winge about health problems , I just get on with it some people think isa free meal ticket for life , well its not I'm sorry :)
[quote][p][bold]Sogden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hasnado33[/bold] wrote: They say they will be sacked if not fit for the work. They have been retiring on ill helth for years and doing very well thank you. I worked with someone who said my husband a fireman will retire on ill health. She stated it was to lucrative not to.Just like the teachers me me me and nevermind anyone else[/p][/quote]Have you heard yourself numbnuts? I had a friend who had a friend and he told their cousin that he had a mate who once was a cousin if a friend who knew a fireman coz he said hi once whilst waiting for a bus and he told me the deepest darkest secrets of the "brotherhood" where all the firemen secretly retire on ill health and find the key to the big bullion storage cupboard. Don't talk wet you goon, do an FOI request and see how many ill health retirees there has been in the last 5 years, it will be less than 1. Idiot[/p][/quote]What I thinks wrong 1. Striking at when there needed the most . 2. Public sector workers always think about me me like split brats 3. Thay should retire at 55 due to not having the fitness as when thay was 25 Just a matter of time before the public sector had to compete against the private sector and about time too , I'm self employed but don't winge about health problems , I just get on with it some people think isa free meal ticket for life , well its not I'm sorry :) phil kernot

5:44pm Fri 1 Nov 13

phil kernot says...

Sogden wrote:
hasnado33 wrote:
They say they will be sacked if not fit for the work. They have been retiring on ill helth for years and doing very well thank you. I worked with someone who said my husband a fireman will retire on ill health. She stated it was to lucrative not to.Just like the teachers me me me and nevermind anyone else
Have you heard yourself numbnuts? I had a friend who had a friend and he told their cousin that he had a mate who once was a cousin if a friend who knew a fireman coz he said hi once whilst waiting for a bus and he told me the deepest darkest secrets of the "brotherhood" where all the firemen secretly retire on ill health and find the key to the big bullion storage cupboard. Don't talk wet you goon, do an FOI request and see how many ill health retirees there has been in the last 5 years, it will be less than 1. Idiot
Nowt like hear say , I knew a friend of a friend who had a cousin who said father Xmas was real but he's not is he lol :)
[quote][p][bold]Sogden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hasnado33[/bold] wrote: They say they will be sacked if not fit for the work. They have been retiring on ill helth for years and doing very well thank you. I worked with someone who said my husband a fireman will retire on ill health. She stated it was to lucrative not to.Just like the teachers me me me and nevermind anyone else[/p][/quote]Have you heard yourself numbnuts? I had a friend who had a friend and he told their cousin that he had a mate who once was a cousin if a friend who knew a fireman coz he said hi once whilst waiting for a bus and he told me the deepest darkest secrets of the "brotherhood" where all the firemen secretly retire on ill health and find the key to the big bullion storage cupboard. Don't talk wet you goon, do an FOI request and see how many ill health retirees there has been in the last 5 years, it will be less than 1. Idiot[/p][/quote]Nowt like hear say , I knew a friend of a friend who had a cousin who said father Xmas was real but he's not is he lol :) phil kernot

5:44pm Fri 1 Nov 13

Sogden says...

phil kernot wrote:
What I thinks wrong
1. Striking at when there needed the most .
2. Public sector workers always think about me me like split brats
3. Thay should retire at 55 due to not having the fitness as when thay was 25

Just a matter of time before the public sector had to compete against the private sector and about time too , I'm self employed but don't winge about health problems , I just get on with it some people think isa free meal ticket for life , well its not I'm sorry :)
What I thinks wrong:
Your illiteracy
Your grammar
Your punctuation

And the fact that doleys have access to the internet
[quote][p][bold]phil kernot[/bold] wrote: What I thinks wrong 1. Striking at when there needed the most . 2. Public sector workers always think about me me like split brats 3. Thay should retire at 55 due to not having the fitness as when thay was 25 Just a matter of time before the public sector had to compete against the private sector and about time too , I'm self employed but don't winge about health problems , I just get on with it some people think isa free meal ticket for life , well its not I'm sorry :)[/p][/quote]What I thinks wrong: Your illiteracy Your grammar Your punctuation And the fact that doleys have access to the internet Sogden

6:27pm Fri 1 Nov 13

buckoff says...

Sogden wrote:
buckoff wrote:
If someone dies due to there own greed I hope they sleep well at night with blood on their hands. They are not fit to wear the uniform striking on one of the busiest weekends are the year. They will lose the respect of the public because of this!!!
Sorry is this about financial gain? Greed? Read the facts first!
Yes thicko can you not work it out?
[quote][p][bold]Sogden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckoff[/bold] wrote: If someone dies due to there own greed I hope they sleep well at night with blood on their hands. They are not fit to wear the uniform striking on one of the busiest weekends are the year. They will lose the respect of the public because of this!!![/p][/quote]Sorry is this about financial gain? Greed? Read the facts first![/p][/quote]Yes thicko can you not work it out? buckoff

6:45pm Fri 1 Nov 13

Sogden says...

buckoff wrote:
Sogden wrote:
buckoff wrote:
If someone dies due to there own greed I hope they sleep well at night with blood on their hands. They are not fit to wear the uniform striking on one of the busiest weekends are the year. They will lose the respect of the public because of this!!!
Sorry is this about financial gain? Greed? Read the facts first!
Yes thicko can you not work it out?
Thanks for your kind words, I can work lots of things out, although I don't see a mention in any of the dispute documentation that points towards financial gain? Maybe you should take a break from minecraft for half an hour and have a look the fbu or dclg website son?
[quote][p][bold]buckoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sogden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckoff[/bold] wrote: If someone dies due to there own greed I hope they sleep well at night with blood on their hands. They are not fit to wear the uniform striking on one of the busiest weekends are the year. They will lose the respect of the public because of this!!![/p][/quote]Sorry is this about financial gain? Greed? Read the facts first![/p][/quote]Yes thicko can you not work it out?[/p][/quote]Thanks for your kind words, I can work lots of things out, although I don't see a mention in any of the dispute documentation that points towards financial gain? Maybe you should take a break from minecraft for half an hour and have a look the fbu or dclg website son? Sogden

6:45pm Fri 1 Nov 13

HarryBosch says...

Lifethroughatintedle
nse
wrote:
Why have comments about crooked,learned ethnic majority solicitor been pulled?mmmmmm!......

apologies this comment doesn't relate to the firefighters dispute......just thought I'd ask the question!
The most logical explanation to your question would be that he has probably lodged an appeal thus making sub-judice again and not open to public discussion.
[quote][p][bold]Lifethroughatintedle nse[/bold] wrote: Why have comments about crooked,learned ethnic majority solicitor been pulled?mmmmmm!...... apologies this comment doesn't relate to the firefighters dispute......just thought I'd ask the question![/p][/quote]The most logical explanation to your question would be that he has probably lodged an appeal thus making sub-judice again and not open to public discussion. HarryBosch

6:47pm Fri 1 Nov 13

mclachlans says...

Gordon Birtwistle does not have any power over weather the unions and the fire fighters them selves should strike over pay and pensions.

He should be sacked from his job for FAILING to represent Burnley and his roll as a Councillor in Coalclough with Deerplay.

GORDON Birtwistle: Just listen here YOU ARE SACKED FROM BURNLEY as of the general election!! People in Burnley want an honest MP and supports Burnley Football Club NOT Blackburn Rovers
Gordon Birtwistle does not have any power over weather the unions and the fire fighters them selves should strike over pay and pensions. He should be sacked from his job for FAILING to represent Burnley and his roll as a Councillor in Coalclough with Deerplay. GORDON Birtwistle: Just listen here YOU ARE SACKED FROM BURNLEY as of the general election!! People in Burnley want an honest MP and supports Burnley Football Club NOT Blackburn Rovers mclachlans

8:55pm Fri 1 Nov 13

phil kernot says...

Sogden wrote:
phil kernot wrote:
What I thinks wrong
1. Striking at when there needed the most .
2. Public sector workers always think about me me like split brats
3. Thay should retire at 55 due to not having the fitness as when thay was 25

Just a matter of time before the public sector had to compete against the private sector and about time too , I'm self employed but don't winge about health problems , I just get on with it some people think isa free meal ticket for life , well its not I'm sorry :)
What I thinks wrong:
Your illiteracy
Your grammar
Your punctuation

And the fact that doleys have access to the internet
Just because some people correct predictive spelling does not make them , better people :)
[quote][p][bold]Sogden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil kernot[/bold] wrote: What I thinks wrong 1. Striking at when there needed the most . 2. Public sector workers always think about me me like split brats 3. Thay should retire at 55 due to not having the fitness as when thay was 25 Just a matter of time before the public sector had to compete against the private sector and about time too , I'm self employed but don't winge about health problems , I just get on with it some people think isa free meal ticket for life , well its not I'm sorry :)[/p][/quote]What I thinks wrong: Your illiteracy Your grammar Your punctuation And the fact that doleys have access to the internet[/p][/quote]Just because some people correct predictive spelling does not make them , better people :) phil kernot

9:08pm Fri 1 Nov 13

peely says...

Firefighters don't realise how lucky they are with a pension to look forward to that most people in the private sector would die for ! They need to get real And join the real world ! No sympathy whatsoever !
Firefighters don't realise how lucky they are with a pension to look forward to that most people in the private sector would die for ! They need to get real And join the real world ! No sympathy whatsoever ! peely

9:12pm Fri 1 Nov 13

HarryBosch says...

peely wrote:
Firefighters don't realise how lucky they are with a pension to look forward to that most people in the private sector would die for ! They need to get real And join the real world ! No sympathy whatsoever !
The reality is that some firefighters DO die! BEFORE they get the chance to collect their pension! They put their lives on the line every single day in order to keep the rest of us safe.
[quote][p][bold]peely[/bold] wrote: Firefighters don't realise how lucky they are with a pension to look forward to that most people in the private sector would die for ! They need to get real And join the real world ! No sympathy whatsoever ![/p][/quote]The reality is that some firefighters DO die! BEFORE they get the chance to collect their pension! They put their lives on the line every single day in order to keep the rest of us safe. HarryBosch

10:25pm Fri 1 Nov 13

2 for 5p says...

HarryBosch wrote:
peely wrote:
Firefighters don't realise how lucky they are with a pension to look forward to that most people in the private sector would die for ! They need to get real And join the real world ! No sympathy whatsoever !
The reality is that some firefighters DO die! BEFORE they get the chance to collect their pension! They put their lives on the line every single day in order to keep the rest of us safe.
How can you die playing darts or snooker, perhaps table tennis is hadarduz to them.
Them cowardly swines ( firemen ) in London tonight walking off the job in the middle of a fire. If you don't belive me reference my quote with Sky News.
[quote][p][bold]HarryBosch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peely[/bold] wrote: Firefighters don't realise how lucky they are with a pension to look forward to that most people in the private sector would die for ! They need to get real And join the real world ! No sympathy whatsoever ![/p][/quote]The reality is that some firefighters DO die! BEFORE they get the chance to collect their pension! They put their lives on the line every single day in order to keep the rest of us safe.[/p][/quote]How can you die playing darts or snooker, perhaps table tennis is hadarduz to them. Them cowardly swines ( firemen ) in London tonight walking off the job in the middle of a fire. If you don't belive me reference my quote with Sky News. 2 for 5p

11:38pm Fri 1 Nov 13

Rich Riley says...

Sogden wrote:
2 for 5p wrote:
HarryBosch wrote:
peely wrote: Firefighters don't realise how lucky they are with a pension to look forward to that most people in the private sector would die for ! They need to get real And join the real world ! No sympathy whatsoever !
The reality is that some firefighters DO die! BEFORE they get the chance to collect their pension! They put their lives on the line every single day in order to keep the rest of us safe.
How can you die playing darts or snooker, perhaps table tennis is hadarduz to them. Them cowardly swines ( firemen ) in London tonight walking off the job in the middle of a fire. If you don't belive me reference my quote with Sky News.
Tit. I'll hunt you down
Brilliant! That's all you can come back with. What a retard! Well the strike is over and nobody gives a toss. Just goes to show that this country could save millions and does not need a full time fire service.
[quote][p][bold]Sogden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]2 for 5p[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HarryBosch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peely[/bold] wrote: Firefighters don't realise how lucky they are with a pension to look forward to that most people in the private sector would die for ! They need to get real And join the real world ! No sympathy whatsoever ![/p][/quote]The reality is that some firefighters DO die! BEFORE they get the chance to collect their pension! They put their lives on the line every single day in order to keep the rest of us safe.[/p][/quote]How can you die playing darts or snooker, perhaps table tennis is hadarduz to them. Them cowardly swines ( firemen ) in London tonight walking off the job in the middle of a fire. If you don't belive me reference my quote with Sky News.[/p][/quote]Tit. I'll hunt you down[/p][/quote]Brilliant! That's all you can come back with. What a retard! Well the strike is over and nobody gives a toss. Just goes to show that this country could save millions and does not need a full time fire service. Rich Riley

11:59pm Fri 1 Nov 13

Lifethroughatintedlense says...

No longer our country!
No longer our country! Lifethroughatintedlense

5:06am Sat 2 Nov 13

SWP supporter says...

craggy wrote:
I would have more sympathy if more firefighters didn't retire at 55, take their pensions and then immediately start working for the service in a different role.

These types of actions will always only get limited sympathy from people in the private sector. Like it or not, many public sector workers receive massive benefits and perks compared to everyone else.
Does that make it right when they have the rug pulled from under them? No, just don't expect those in worse positions to rally to the call!
They do a vital and dangerous job, requiring great skill. Why should they accept this sort of treatment and cuts to their conditions?
Support your local firefighters
[quote][p][bold]craggy[/bold] wrote: I would have more sympathy if more firefighters didn't retire at 55, take their pensions and then immediately start working for the service in a different role. These types of actions will always only get limited sympathy from people in the private sector. Like it or not, many public sector workers receive massive benefits and perks compared to everyone else. Does that make it right when they have the rug pulled from under them? No, just don't expect those in worse positions to rally to the call![/p][/quote]They do a vital and dangerous job, requiring great skill. Why should they accept this sort of treatment and cuts to their conditions? Support your local firefighters SWP supporter

7:23am Sat 2 Nov 13

Moonbase says...

I don't think striking is the answer, those days have long gone, look what happened at the oil refinery. But that said, this shower of a government has as much bite as a granny with dentures!!!!!!!
What I would say is 'No way José'!!!!!!
I don't think striking is the answer, those days have long gone, look what happened at the oil refinery. But that said, this shower of a government has as much bite as a granny with dentures!!!!!!! What I would say is 'No way José'!!!!!! Moonbase

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